ZONE / Zone Battle thread of vEry awEsomEnEss

[Reezy]

If you do it perfectly and with some luck you can do two BR's per lap. The only problem is sometimes you make a collision and lose your perfect zone/lap bonus. I'd prefer it if you can't do them at all tbh.

[yeldar2097]

Well considering it's small fry for PS I'm not filled with confidence....

I'll have go though :)

[ProblemSolver]

Anyway, enjoy. It's way cool to jump off from the ramps at higher zones
and doing perfect laps. :)

[yeldar2097]

I wouldn't know, my PL's tend to stop around Super Phantom, after that I usually enter a frenetic, long-term relationship with the walls :lol

[AppleJack]

Sol 2's a pain for me on Zone (or any other race type faster than Venom class lol). I can get to Zone 25, enough to get the elite gold in the campaign, but that's about it.

Been doing some runs on Vineta K lately (as well as time trials and speed laps on different tracks in Phantom). Best I've been able to do is around Zone 45, and Vineta becomes a pain past Zone 30. Also trying to get back to where I was on Syncopia (can barely break Zone 50 atm, but it is one of only two tracks I can get 50+ on).

I'll have to also make more runs on Anulpha to see if I can get to 75 again, as I've only done it the one time to get the trophy. Came within 0.4 seconds at one point but haven't been that close since.

[lebronjames]

Snycopia is maybe is the best track for reaching high zones.I reach 76,maybe its not much but i got Zone Zeus.

[ZixXer]

vin k is my fav map it just plays so nice when you get the hang of it.
i never realy played ap on high speeds.

[yeldar2097]

Just saw someone has 79 Zones and 43 Perfect Zones on Sol 2 and he's not top... Did he deliberately miss all the speedpads or what? o_O

[ProblemSolver]

Na. I know his result for some months now but didn't included it in the table.
If I go with my result and do the math, then his result doesn't really match
his score -- considering the numbers of total zones reached as well as the
number of perfect zones, i.e. he misses a lot of points. I even subtracted my
BRs and perfect laps from my run (just zones, some pads, and perfect zones)
and added the additional zone missing up to 79 and 42, respectively.
The result is the following; if you can run for 79 zones and do 42 perfect
zones, then you would reach about 150k points almost automatically. But he
didn't. Secondly, I don't think it's possible to run a 79 on Sol2 without a
cheat. The highest zone number reached so far is zone 61. A 70 might be
possible at its furthest extreme. But a 79? Ah c'mon. ;)

[yeldar2097]

That's what I thought.

Detective ProblemSolver to the rescue! :g

[ProblemSolver]

:g

Not to mention that he isn't in the Top100 of any other track. :lol

[ZixXer]

hey problemsolver your no longer in the score list of vk :S

[ProblemSolver]

Thx for the info. So staying away for about three to four months and your
record will be deleted, heh? But it seems random somehow. Anyways, I will
update anything next month.

[Rezatron]

Not only VinK, all of your zone records are gone! :frown:

This is interesting, define "staying away?" Have you not booted up WO in 3/4 months or rather not even logged into PSN during that time?

[ProblemSolver]

This.

lol at killing all my records.

[DreamyElf]

this is ridiculous...
so after some time the recs are deleted?:dizzy
actually i noticed a LOT of records have been disappeared the last few days so it wasn't just you PS...
anyway, we know who is the zone master so don't worry!:)

plus there is always connavar's site so the records are safe...

[ProblemSolver]

No problem over here.

What bothers me is how Sony / SL handle the overall situation with
the leaderboard. One of the key components of WipEout HD does
not work. lol

[Reezy]

Do you just need to sign in and sync your records to get them all back? Don't tell em you have to set new ones :(

[Rezatron]

anyway, we know who is the zone master so don't worry!:)

plus there is always connavar's site so the records are safe...


Yes, thanks to the ranking site we do, Matt_XIII_67 ;)

[DreamyElf]

good for you.
i was just saying my personal opinion, for me some of PS recs are amazing and inhuman(like cp, mh and sc)

[ProblemSolver]

I just had a look at the Overall Ranking. I'm only on rank 3. Jesus Christ! ;)
Well, I never took care of that one. I think I would have to run some more
tracks to go up there. But I won't force myself doing this. If I play ZONE, I
play to get a certain feeling. And this feeling only kicks in on very high
speeds, when everything is aligned perfectly. And to get there you really have
to work with the track. For me this is much more interesting then just running
on each and every track just to better my overall ranking. And if any
competition, then I prefer a direct battle on a given specific track fighting
for the top.
I remember Carro-Armato battling with me on SC. There is a nice story behind
how this battle was fought and how my record came about and what it took me
to get there. If someone is interested I may write it down.

@DreamyElf: Have you become interested in ZONE as of late? It's interesting
that you mention the SC record since this record doesn't look like a big one,
but I can tell, trying to break this record will damage everyone's fingers.
Setting this record took everything, but likewise has given me all I ever wanted;
maximum thrill and maximum tension while being on a path to touch perfection.
Contrary to SC, I think that I can improve CP and MH a lil further. :sonar


http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/9392/wohd20100130173629500th.jpg (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/album.php?albumid=130&pictureid=1988)
Final moment of my record run on Sebenco Climb....

[DreamyElf]

@PS
Zone is my fav mode in wipeout by far! :D
i just love cruising at insane speeds while listening to my fav music, just me against the track, testing my limits!:lol
unfortunately i'm not that good (just human XD) to compete with any of you here...

[Reezy]

Just please don't start on tech de ra reverse Problemsolver, I'm *this* close to getting top spot :) It's amazing what one little adjustment can do to your score.
And I'd be really interested in your sebenco climb story.

[ProblemSolver]

@DreamyElf: Ah nice! What's your best postion as of now?

@Reezy: Very unlikely that I will run TDR reverse within the next months.
So you have plenty of time to set a solid record. I sense TDR reverse is
going to be a big thing for you, would be your first rank 1. Hola! With 44
perfect zones you should be able to do it. Good luck. :):+ Make a picture
once you made it. You will remember it for ages!

[Rezatron]

I just had a look at the Overall Ranking. I'm only on rank 3. Jesus Christ! ;)


Nice, you just deleted all you non-#1 zone records to increase your rank, good work! :blarg :sonar

Don't worry though, when the site gets mass updated again you'll drop back down. :g

[Reezy]

New record for tech de ra reverse. Turned music off and went for it :)
Got to zone 35 before my first crash. Nearly got a perfect lap on zone 60, messed up at the final chicane, ugh. Gave me +10 shield tho and was maybe the defining moment in reaching my goal.
And I did have the top spot for amphiseum reverse for a couple of days Problemsolver, so officially my 2nd #1. More proud of this since fury's been out alot longer now :)

[DreamyElf]

Ah nice! What's your best postion as of now?

mod h: #32 - 41/21 and chen p: #34 - 45/23.
nothing special i know but as i said i'm just human... :)

@reezelthia: well done for your #1 records!
keep it up :)

[ProblemSolver]

@Rezatron: I deleted three, pos: 100+, I never entered. So much about
the Overall Ranking. ;) But tell me, is this ranking of any importance?
I never saw anyone referring / relying on it. Is there a battle out there
I don't know about? Just wondering.

@Reezy: Looks great, man! :clap Well done! What's up next?

@DreamyElf: Seems like that you like tight tracks as well. :+

[Rezatron]

@Rezatron: I deleted three, pos: 100+, I never entered. So much about
the Overall Ranking. ;) But tell me, is this ranking of any importance?
I never saw anyone referring / relying on it. Is there a battle out there
I don't know about? Just wondering.


Only in my mind. :D

What's your record for most number of perfect consecutive zones from start? I'm guessing you might have done a Syncopia run up to Supersonic without touching a wall? Talk about taking the "Own the Zone" trophy to overkill... :robot

[ProblemSolver]

Only in my mind. ...
hehe :g

My record for most number of perfect consecutive zones from start? I don't
know if you're will to believe me, but I did 102 perfect zones in sequence
on Syncopia on my 151 run. Pretty sick, I know. But it's the truth. No kidding.

[yeldar2097]

Not surprised. With that many perfect zones in total you'd kinda have to. Most I've got is 80 or so, then I got over-excited and started crashing. Still searching for 100 perfect zones on Syncopia.

Only just noticed (now that PS's records are gone) that finish_killer has a pretty sick score on Syncopia (and some other tracks). Maybe there's some competition on the cards :banzai

[ProblemSolver]

Syncopia should allow for a 160 / 130. On my 151 run I had full shied entering
zone 150. But then I made one little mistake and lost all of my shied. From
zone 140 onwards it becomes quite hard, but from zone 150 onwards it becomes
a binary situation. Either you run perfect or you are dead. Going from 150 to
160 can only be done in a pure mental state, meaning, every rational thought
will kill you right at the spot. So if you think you can fail, you will fail
right at the spot. If you look at the counter and think; oh sh!t, 10 more
zones to go; you will fail right at the spot. Everything that takes you
out the slighted will kill you. No second chances.

[Reezy]

@Problemsolver, next up: 50 perfect zones :)
As for overall ranking, I like to use it for inspiration to improve. Without Connavar's site I don't think I would have invested as much into zone as I have.

@DreamyElf, keep going! We all start somewhere. One extra perfect zone can take you further, then further still. I don't know if you've achieved zone zeus yet, but I'm sure you saw how far away it looked at first, and how progress can be made towards it.

[Jguesty94]

I only recently got back into WOHD after a good 6 months + break (I stopped before the ads update, whenever that was), and it has seemed to make my Zone score on Syncopia a lot better. Traded total Zones for more Perfect Zones.

Improved to 12th :g I tend not to bother with the other tracks tbh, I play Zone because it gets you to focus on the game and nothing else, which is quite relaxing.

Also, this was posted by Yaster over on the Official Playstation Community Board for Wipeout HD:


Hi All



Wipeout HD is to undergo some maintenance with it's online servers.



Here's what you need to know:



Date: 20/07/2010
Start time: 10:00 UK Time
End Time: 12:00 UK Time

Might be an explanation as to why someone saw deleted Zone scores ;)

[ProblemSolver]

maintenance = to wipe out old records. lol

[JaceMc]

What do you guys like about Zone Battle? I absolutely loathe it. In the Fury campaign, on Elite, it's basically a roll of the dice with impossible odds stacked against you. You can only take 1 barrier collision, otherwise you don't have enough shield to spare for wall banging/getting shoved out of the way by the competition. Which, by the way, is totally insane. Why is collision detection on in this mode? It's like for the entire first lap I can't get to a single boost pad because some stupid A.I. is so illogically DETERMINED to hold it's line that it will slam me into a wall, thus ruining my race already. As if asking a person to get enough tiny little squares on the surface of a rapidly dissapearing ground at a thousand kilometres an hour to advance my zone boost to 8.0 isn't crazy enough. All the while 7 other racers with their ever-present auto-pilot are leaving behind hundreds of eternal Zone Barriers for me to desperately dodge.

Anyway, with that said, I managed to thwart Fury's Elite Campaign today, even these infuriating Zone Battles. I just felt like sharing my wealth of hatred with you all.

[Colonel]

hehe :g

My record for most number of perfect consecutive zones from start? I don't
know if you're will to believe me, but I did 102 perfect zones in sequence
on Syncopia on my 151 run. Pretty sick, I know. But it's the truth. No kidding.

Jesus that is utterly absurd. I've been hammering Zone on Syncopia for the last couple weeks and yesterday I smashed my personal best, got to zone 83, first 43 zones perfect. I was frankly over the moon, determined to get to zone 100 though. It's easily the most fun you can have legally.

[ProblemSolver]

@JaceMc: Campaign Zone Battle sux, granted. It's also annoying how the AI
behaves at higher speeds. xD However, online is much better. :nod

@Colonel__Gadaffi: :D:+ Keep going, mate! Keep going!

[Colonel]

[QUOTE=ProblemSolver;178839
@Colonel__Gadaffi: :D:+ Keep going, mate! Keep going![/QUOTE]

Thanks dude, I intend to! I've learnt it's all about consistency, making as few mistakes as possible in the earlier zones, and still managing to keep it together at the higher speeds. Got to zone 90 the night before last but I'd touched the sides a few times early on so my score was relatively quite low. The run after I only got to zone 80, and yet got a new P.B because it was almost faultless until the later stages. Once I've combined the two it will all come together.

By the way ProblemSolver, are there any videos available of your higher scores on Syncopia? It would be good to actually see what zone 150 looks like, doubt I'll ever get there myself!

[yeldar2097]

If I remember correctly the highest Zone run on video is by Wotan, finishing at 135.

Some links :) :

Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6vn3RA5jOA&feature=related)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX9OsXR_F6Y&feature=related)
Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRojKs_AW2A)

[ZixXer]

YES!!!!

some of you may know I do have a full HD tv but I dont play wipeout HD on it because ot the 0.5+ seconds lag i have wen i fly the planes, now i just found out that my tv got a game mode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and it feels perfect!

so now i can finaly play the damm game as it is intendant to do!
the strange thing is I play on that tv with only 1.2 meters away from the 46inc screen. so that when i do my cockpit view i am realy in da game and 75+ zones that is realy insane looking!

[Reezy]

@Problemsolver, next up: 50 perfect zones :)

Mission accomplished :)

[yeldar2097]

Quick question for the XtrEmeZonErs (you know who you are :P):

When you are trying to improve on a track, does it just kinda 'happen', or do you actually practice it? What I mean by that is, will you do consecutive runs of the same track in order to improve, or is it more a case of doing some Zone and maybe improving on a track due to generally being a bit 'better' at Zone Mode than you were before?

I'm just wondering whether the top Zone records take time, work & repetition like non-zone records (which to me seem to be mostly acquired skills, rather than inherited), or whether some people are just more gifted than others when it comes to negotiating tracks at speeds that would make even Jean-Luc Picard flinch :g

[mikrucio]

Im ranked 18 on Coridon 12 at the moment on zone mode.
(not bragging or anything, coz that sux)

But yeah It does takes practice. I played nothing but that stage for over 2 weeks. tried at least twice a day.

Slowly and slowly my score increased. But the best way to score high on zone mode as you know is to not only pass alot of zones. but also try to get every lap a perfect lap because this is where the secret lies.

[Reezy]

@Yeldar, for frequent small improvements, repetition helps.
You know how on one run you get a lucky perfect lap on say zone 42, and on a different run you get a perfect lap on zone 46 but crash on zone 42. Well with repetition you're hoping for that 1 time to get perfect laps on both zone 42 AND zone 46.
This is good for high zone scoring courses like the pure four: you know you can get perfect zones at really high levels, but on each run its at different times. If you do enough runs, sooner or later you'll hit that perfect one where everything hits (like the lottery I guess :P)
The only problem with this I get is my eyes start to bleed after like 3 runs :O So I have to take a break.

But to make big improvements I feel you have to really know the course. Notice how the corners flow at low speeds, how easy it is to get round if you use the right line. Stick to the line, even at low speeds when any way round will do, to drill it into your head. Then as the speeds get higher it will come more natually.

[Jav]

Yeah in order to get really high scores (attempting world records) you need two things: skill and repetition. Just being good (very good) isn't enough, you need to practice lots and lots on the same track to really get to know it. After a while you won't even have to think about the track and it's turns; everything will happen automatically, and you'll see that your results will get better, slowly but surely.

So it definitely takes time to set high scores, but you obviously need to be gifted in a sort of way, meaning... you can practice all your life but if you're just not good enough.. it's not gonna happen.

I just set the Metropia Zone World Record, check Connavars site :)

[ProblemSolver]

"I continuously go further and further learning about my own limitations,
my body limitation, psychological limitations. It's a way of life for me."
-- Ayrton Senna

This.


@Jav: That's a very good result, I would say. :D Good job!

[Ace3cube]

I dont know if I put into the 'right' thread but I post :P
Are Zoners interested by BattleZone tourney ? (we make single races and we count as a classic tourney ?). The Broth3rs think about that. It could be nice to play on BattleZone tourney lol.
(sorry if my english isnt clean but hard to find word :P)

[Colonel]

I'd be up for it Ace3cube. I need more practice though, I'm pretty good at Zone but patchy at Zone Battle.

[Ace3cube]

We also count zone number on each BZ and see.

[SeanParris]

Syncopia should allow for a 160 / 130. On my 151 run I had full shied entering
zone 150. But then I made one little mistake and lost all of my shied. From
zone 140 onwards it becomes quite hard, but from zone 150 onwards it becomes
a binary situation. Either you run perfect or you are dead. Going from 150 to
160 can only be done in a pure mental state, meaning, every rational thought
will kill you right at the spot. So if you think you can fail, you will fail
right at the spot. If you look at the counter and think; oh sh!t, 10 more
zones to go; you will fail right at the spot. Everything that takes you
out the slighted will kill you. No second chances.

Gotta love how you say it becomes "quite hard" at 140! My all time record is zone 125, and that was nearly a perfect run for me! I call it nearly perfect because usually I slam into walls late on and die, whereas in that run I just lost life gradually. I find the problem with zone mode is that I no longer want to continue after reaching a high zone, in case I beat my score achieving a lower zone. My 125 run beat my 104 run by just 1000 points! Does anybody else feel like this? I'm quite confident that I could improve upon my score of 337000, but don't want to risk losing 125 as my best. Lol.. :|

[Jav]

You should be able to get a much higher score anyway, by just getting more perfects (both zones and laps) on your way to the higher zones. 125 is not exactly INCREDIBLE on Syncopia (don't get me wrong, it's a good score) but it's beatable. Who cares if you beat your score on a lower zone? You'll find that if you practice a lot you'll get more perfects ánd get beyond zone 125.

By the way, "gradually losing life" is not a good thing. It means you miss out on a lot of perfect zones and laps since you lose a little bit every time. Losing big sums in just seconds is preferred, as long as you can restore it.

[SeanParris]

Out of interest, I've done 1700 laps of Syncopia, how many have you guys done? Be interesting to see :P!

Also I agree that if you avoid walls it is preferred, but as I have only once recorded a perfect lap beyond Zone 100 I felt that Zone 125, perhaps 130, are about my limit. Maybe after another 10,000 laps I'd look back at this post and laugh though :g.

[Jav]

Don't have too many on Syncopia, I only got the Fury expansion like 2 months ago. :p I have about 18000 on Anulpha Pass though

[LurifaxFlux]

New PB on Syncopia :)
116/91, Score: 354614

Hoping for top 10 soon :D

[Jav]

Well played :p I'm not even sure I'm in the top 10, can't be bothered with Syncopia really. Believe I'm in the 400k though so, probably.

[LurifaxFlux]

Just reached rank 14 - 120/96 - 387k :D
Video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WRY_bCy2Hk)

Dreaming of a WR one day ;)

[DreamyElf]

incredible job there luri, well done! :clap

[LurifaxFlux]

Thanks :)
Got rank 12 now with 390k hehe

[Jav]

I might get into Syncopia again, not happy with my current score. That's a good effort though btw Lurifax, keep it up.

[Colonel]

Out of interest, I've done 1700 laps of Syncopia, how many have you guys done? Be interesting to see :P!


Had a look last night and I've done 3,342 laps of Syncopia. Next highest is Anulpha pass with around 2,200. I've also got over 164hrs of race time, and I've only had the game three months! :redface:

[Jav]

Can't belief it, just over a week ago we were talking to Lurifax about his new PB and now he's gone...

[Challenger #001]

Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to have a Zone Battle meet with several of us all in Icari as a sort of memorial race for Luri? I know I haven't posted in here before - been a bit too scared of all your skills from reading it - but the idea's been niggling at me for a while now.

[leungbok]

count on me ;)

[Nutcase:259]

That sound like a cool idea :D, u could also do something like DP89's Speedlap challenge, some one picks a track and we all zone like crazy and post it to see who gets the best. post like the amount of speed pads, perfect laps and zones and overall laps and see who comes out on top in each catagory.

[Ace3cube]

On Saturday,
We tryed to start a Battle Zone night.
We will start at 7PM & 30 minutes (GMT+0).
I want see if there will be somes zoners ;)
Ace3 & PDenton will be ready. I will record all BZ. If pilots like, maybe we could think about that BZ tournament.

I stay there and on PSN.
See ya ;)

[Colonel]

On Saturday,
We tryed to start a Battle Zone night.
We will start at 7PM & 30 minutes (GMT+0).
I want see if there will be somes zoners ;)
Ace3 & PDenton will be ready. I will record all BZ. If pilots like, maybe we could think about that BZ tournament.

I stay there and on PSN.
See ya ;)

Sorry gotta go out so won't be able to make this (think it's happening now?) but would love to do one another time.

[Ace3cube]

Yeah soon. And dont worry, it's my fault. Try to create a meeting without a 'before' thread lol :x

[Jav]

I would play if you had informed beforehand..

[SonicChaos]

Zone Battle... one of the most awesome and under played modes in the game due to people afraid to go at speeds any higher than Flash. One of my favorite modes to play.

[Oust]

my favorite , pity i dont find much zone battles online

[Ace3cube]

Well we were online for 3 hours BZone. It's very difficult to stay with that speed.
I got around 12G HD video. I will encode in SD and youtube for those who like. I played 99% internal view.

[ProblemSolver]

... Dreaming of a WR one day ...

In memories...

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/158/wohdzonesyncopia160psth.jpg (http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5969/wohdzonesyncopia160ps.png)

[yeldar2097]

Truly amazing mate :clap

A great tribute :)

[Reezy]

Very nice ProblemSolver.

[ProblemSolver]

Thx guys.

As I was turning in on zone 148 I was already on a new record going
by score as my body started to fill up with adrenaline like nothing else
while approaching zone 150. My blood pressure was rising as well, could
feel it everywhere. Man, what a feeling! Only under theses circumstances
I really feel myself challenged.
And so I was crossing zone 151 (old record) while something interesting
started to happen. I was fully in sync with the track and there was
nothing I could improve on, everything was aligned perfectly. Knowing
this while crossing 151, I mentally closed my eyes and said to myself -
ok here we go - and the feeling left inside me was just hope!
In retrospective, I believe this feeling helped me quite a lot, since I
had to let go of thinking being able to rationally control the situation.
Something carried me through the remaining nine zones. And man, it
took ages. But it was so amazing! I essentially lost the craft while
thinking about taking a picture out of zone 160. Well, I'm fine with it. ;)

Next up; Metropia. Time to get my record back and to put some solid
numbers up there. :sonar Will be my last stint for this year, I guess.

Hey Raza, I took note of your records on most of the standard Fury
tracks. Good job, mate! And Reezy, keep going on TDR Reverse! I want
to see you fighting! :D:+

[Colonel]

I love reading ProblemSolver's tales of extreme zoning, there's something poetic about them. :)

Congrats on the new W.R dude, and the tribute to Marcus is a touch of class.

While my efforts pale into insignificance, I've recently been trying to beat my P.B on Syncopia - currently around 290,000, and something quite worrying has been happening... when I get to really high speeds (in the 90s) I realise I'm not breathing properly. Adrenaline's coursing through my veins, my blood pressure's through the roof and I'm suddenly aware I've been holding my breath! Worse still, even though I know I'm doing it I can't stop and my breathing comes in fits and bursts until I feel quite feint :eek

Has anyone else experienced this frightening phenomenon?

[UB3R~JKP]

I like ZBs but i'm absolute crap, doing them more often now though :).

[Jav]

Haha very nice PS, that sounds all too familiar. You just have to let the situation take over, if you think about doing anything wrong you WILL. Even a split-second... it's awesome. :D

You'll have Metropia back no time, the record I set aint unbeatable by any means.

[ProblemSolver]

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/3604/wohdzonemetropia76psth5.jpg (http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/6610/wohdzonemetropia76ps.png)
Metropia : 76 / 51 / 196041 : ProblemSolver : 2010-11-08

SUPER SONIC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3ySBAcIoxo) http://www.consolewars.de/messageboard/images/smilies/musik_015.gif


@Jav: Well, the cool thing about all us addicts is that we know about
each other without talking. I really can share the feeling everyone is
experiencing while being at its limit. This somehow draws us all together.

@Colonel__Gaddafi: Thx Colonel. I literally had tears in my eyes tributing
the Syncopia record to Marcus. It's quite tough setting such a record
knowing a friend of us, who was in love with Syncopia as well, were gone
the other day.
About the experience you're describing. I guess your body is shocked
at times when you are on your limit, esp. when you are very close to the
end of a very good run. I know this feeling but I do not experience it very
often. It also happens in daily life now and then. Perhaps the brain needs
so much energy in this moment such that breathing becomes secondary
for a few seconds.

[kanar]

I love reading ProblemSolver's tales of extreme zoning, there's something poetic about them. :)


totally agree, just lurking at zb & zone mode these days, tbh shame on me still doesn't have zone zeus or airbraker (completely nut wth speed lap I admit) BUT I feel more & more attracted, like P_Denton turned Ace3cube into a zb fan lol. I want to make my zeus on moa fwd. I don't know why, but I really want to. Just a question of time to spare on that. And yeah what a feeling to handle that speed. This game has an incredible gameplay, I spent my time into online multi/speed lap but I think I could easily spend the same amount of time into zone or zb... If I had time. Jeez this game is a serious drug ah ah.

[Colonel]

I spend very little time doing anything other than Zone, Z.B and eliminators.

[ProblemSolver]

... shame on me still doesn't have zone zeus or airbraker ...
No? Should be made an requirement posting in here. Sat, can you.... ;)

Perhaps more people will find their way into Zone Battle while playing
it competitively at the WipEout HD Cup. :):+

[Challenger #001]

Hear hear PS. ^^ I'm not nearly at your level, but I wholeheartedly approve of providing Zone and Zone Battle to more people. :D And Airbraker is surprisingly easy on Syncopia at least. Just make sure you use a heavy ship like an Auricom.

[yeldar2097]

I'm having massive cravings for Zone Mode right now. Been feeling it the last couple of days now, I miss the pretty colours and the awesome feelings that go with them :brickwall

Come Christmas I'll be on Zone Mode like a fly on sh*t :g

[Tommygunz_81]

Well I doubt this would qualify as very awesomeness but I managed to hit zone 100 for the 1st time ever.
Unfortunately I didnt get to experience it at all cos I think i hit zone 100 on thelast corner and then missed the overpass and blew up, I was hoping it would reset me so I could at least go over the bridge on zone 100 but sadly no.

[amplificated]

I just found out 2 days ago I could suddenly play Zone and actually regularly get in the top 100. Played through all the tracks, and have nfi how people have such ridiculous scores on Corridon 12. Not a fan of that track...


And Airbraker is .... Just make sure you use a heavy ship like an Auricom.

was that sarcasm?

[Reezy]

@Amplificated, my first run on corridor 12 I didn't even reach zone 40, and definitely hated it. Go left is the best advice I can give :)

[yeldar2097]

Yes, go (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYkW-IWDQcI) left (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL8-jd24wrw)

Don't think I'll ever get to over 100 there, Syncopia was hard enough. Good job wotan :+

[amplificated]

Well, I had the going left part down, but...


go (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYkW-IWDQcI) left (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL8-jd24wrw)

God damn! 49 straight perfect zones leading into 103 zones :eek
:clap

[DreamyElf]

I'm having massive cravings for Zone Mode right now. Been feeling it the last couple of days now, I miss the pretty colours and the awesome feelings that go with them :brickwall

Come Christmas I'll be on Zone Mode like a fly on sh*t :g
I know how you feel...
It's the Need For Zone!^^
I couldn't play all summer because of the heat but now i'm back to it and i'm loving every moment. :)

[Challenger #001]

Corridon's not a particularly forgiving track, I'll say that. But I'm pretty sure I can get 75 if I try hard enough. I got 71 on Mallavol last night, so here's going for top twenty. ;3

@amplificated: You're not the first to ask me that actually. ^^ Both TwitchySpitfire and yeldar didn't know this either, but one of the tricks to Zone is knowing that while Handling, Shield, Thrust, Top Speed etc are all the same i.e. maximum, the 'hidden values' on the ships remain the same.

Rob and Colin have stated before on the forums that each ship has 'hidden characteristics' that are written into the ship programming. The most important of these are the Centre of Mass and the Mass itself of the ship. These remain constant for Zone and Zone Battle ships as well as the regular variants.

Thus, although FEISAR appears to be the best option for the zone having the 'best' handling, at higher speeds its' light weight makes it twitchier. A heavier craft will be more planted at speed above Zen and easier to control. A basic rundown of ship weights follows:

Featherweight: Icaras and Harimau
Lightweight: Asssegai, FEISAR and AG-Sysems
Middlewight: Mirage and Qirex
Heavyweight: Piranha, Goteki 45 and EG-X
Superheavyweight: Triakis and Auricom

The other thing to remember is that the Centre Of Mass remains the same. A big problem most people have with the Qirex is the twitchiness of it - that's because the COM is very far forward, so it rotates about that point. Conversely, the AG-Systems has its' COM close to the rear, meaning the front points towards where you want to go, hence its' popularity.

Of the SHW ships, the Triakis has more weight towards the front than the Auricom, so the Auricom by default is the best ship for Zone. QED.

[TwitchySpitfire]

Would you consider EG-X to have a fairly centered COM?

[ProblemSolver]

Well I doubt this would qualify as very awesomeness but I managed to hit zone 100 for the 1st time ever. ...
Zone 100 on AP is still a good achievement. Keep going! :):+
It's very awesome to fly over the bridge from zone 110 onwards. :dizzy

@Challenger #001: You need to separate more between the two modes.


... @amplificated: You're not the first to ask me that actually. ^^ Both TwitchySpitfire and yeldar didn't know this either, but one of the tricks to Zone is knowing that while Handling, Shield, Thrust, Top Speed etc are all the same i.e. maximum, the 'hidden values' on the ships remain the same.

Rob and Colin have stated before on the forums that each ship has 'hidden characteristics' that are written into the ship programming. The most important of these are the Centre of Mass and the Mass itself of the ship. These remain constant for Zone and Zone Battle ships as well as the regular variants. ...
This holds true for all the Zone Battle ships, right.

About a year ago, I found out that even the ZONE craft has hidden
characteristics with respect to each team. I don't know if this is
intended or if it is just an programming error, but under extreme
conditions I can figure out a slight difference between some of these
crafts. However, for the average and even the skilled zoners out there,
there won't be any difference (I don't even know anyone who can
confirm on the situation), but if you put the craft to its utmost limit,
you may recognize a certain (weak) inconsistency in behavior among
them.

[amplificated]

Well, how about that. Didn't realise there would be a difference between each of the Zone ships

[Colonel]

I had no idea either, always thought they were identical. May have to have a bash with the Auricom :)

[amplificated]

Just had another couple of shots at Corridon 12 and got a rank fitting in with what I have on most other tracks; thanks for the help :P

Had a huge collapse at Mach 1, so there's definitely room for improvement as well. I think the biggest problem was that corner - having to find the position on the shoulder that allows you to not oversteer so much.

[Reezy]

I still hold the opinion that all zone craft are the same. I've used every single one in zone mode to get full loyalty on them, and not noticed one iota of difference at all.

[Jav]

The difference is bigger in ZB.

[QjonPL]

Just set a new PB on Syncopia (136 zones); the "Perfect Lap" statement at Z132 was priceless :hyper
Strange is, that >125 zone it was easier to maintain perfect lines (this could be felt especially when passing through the first chicane), but one mistake = death :)

[Ace3cube]

Hi there,
Like we did october 16th (around 3hours of ZB), we will try play again a long session.
" Rendez-vous " is fixed for November 27th (night ~ 10PM).
Are you interested ?

[Challenger #001]

I'll do my best to try and make it Ace. ^^

And because the leaderboards aren't up, I think I need to post this here:

Mallavol: 177269, 70 Zones, 51 Perfect Zones, 22nd Globally.

Beat ya, Hellfire! :D

[Colonel]

Gutted, I'm away on 27th. Would have been up for a marathon Z.B session.

[afuroKy]

oh. So Piranha isnt as heavy as Auricom ?? really? Then the thing is just that Piranha sucks at cornering!:g it just wants to keep straight.

I should be there on 27th.

[Reezy]

I'll try and play then. I played a few ZB's with Rezatron the other day and he kicked my ass, I need the practice :P

[ProblemSolver]

I still hold the opinion that all zone craft are the same. I've used every single one in zone mode to get full loyalty on them, and not noticed one iota of difference at all.
They 'should' be the same, but I believe they aren't. I did the same like
you back then, but it was way too early to judge upon anything. How
did I noticed it at all? Well, after having gained all the loyalties I played
exclusively with Feisar all the way down. A year later I thought to myself;
man lets tinker around with the other ones just for the sake of it. And it
didn't took too long until I recognized that something was different.

I ask myself whether each ZONE craft draws its characteristics from a
master instance or not? I would say that there is an instance for each
craft / team, meaning the game may handle each craft individually up to
a given point. If you look at it, each craft has a different texture (the
team name, trivial) but also a different engine noise! Hence, the game
differentiate among them in a give way, at least. The question now is
whether they all reference their characteristics from a unique master
instance or if they hold a copy (in some way) on their own making it
possible to tweak it individually?

I'm not saying that each craft has a certain difference with respect to
another one. And it's not like that the steering or whatever is way better
/ worser in comparison. But some crafts do go a lil smoother around a
given track than others. It depends.

But don't trust me, everything might just be my imagination.... :beer


The difference is bigger in ZB.
I think it isn't comparable at all since the difference is way beyond.


Just set a new PB on Syncopia (136 zones); the "Perfect Lap" statement at Z132 was priceless :hyper
Strange is, that >125 zone it was easier to maintain perfect lines (this could be felt especially when passing through the first chicane), but one mistake = death :)
Congrats! Yeah, in the end, Syncopia 'reduces' to the first chicane. On very
high zones, about zone 130+, the corner entry into first turn is determined
on the short section after the chicane up until the jump. A final small
correction can be made while being airborne, but if the path wasn't already
smooth enough, i.e you have to make too many corrections, the entry into
last corner will be off. To be more precise; the airbrake intensity / sequence
will be off from optimum around last turn. And this error will accumulate in
the process and the speed is way too high to damp it down (due to counter
airbraking for example) leading to a wrong entry into the chicane and as
such to an overuse of the airbrakes exceeding the limits of the craft. Boom!

@Challenger #001: Better posting your records up here and on Connavar's
side. :nod Keep going, mate!

[yeldar2097]

Right, well...I've recently started playing Zone Mode on tracks other than Syncopia, and I've rediscovered my love for Zoning.

However, I tried Modesto Heights F yesterday for the first time since I tried it back when Fury came out: WHAT IS THE FRAMERATE DOING?! Seriosuly :blarg

Perfect lap at Zone 45 though. *beams with pride* :g

[DjM1zw1z]

Zone seems to time consuming for me but some others like a challenge, But how the hell do you get to zone 140. Its cool but confusing
@yeld (off topic) Wow New veteran...

[Reezy]

I got freezing real bad on Metropia R lately. So annoying.

[Challenger #001]

Yeldar and I have been having a little bit of a challenge recently, initiated when I took #19th globally off him at Corridon 12. Just for the record books, got off...

214751pts, 51/80 perfect zones. 12th Global.

*does the victory dance*

[yeldar2097]

Give me roughly 12 minutes, I'm all over it. ^_^

[Colonel]

Yeldar you massive b*stard. I managed to get into the top ten on C12, all of 4 hours ago. I was ecstatic, checked to see if the records had updated just now and you've knocked me down to 11th :mad:

It was only my second top 10 score :frown:

Good effort though, awesome score you've got there.

[yeldar2097]

Cheers. Incentive to kick it up a notch.

If you want someone to blame you can point the finger at Challenger, it was hit idea :lol

Come play with us ^_^

[Colonel]

Thanks I shall :)

[Jav]

Vineta K Rev World Record :)

[yeldar2097]

Oranje Boven ^_^

Keep it up :pirate

[Colonel]

Wow, good effort Jav!

[yeldar2097]

Just had a quick go at it. My oh my the first tunnel at 50+ is so lovely.

[Wotan]

Yeah good job javariko . I saw your score , it must be a very good one ;)

Well ,finally i made a video of the last pure 4 zone track : mallavol .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qZDj7Voo5w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LatzpvGKqes


This isn't my best run , but i'm glad to have all pure 4 at zone 100+ on youtube :P . Furthermore i beat the old kingheim's record on mallavol the run before this vid with a 104/85 .
Now i can work on syncopia :cowboy

[KGB]

I decided this week to try and get past Zone 100 on Syncopia for a laugh. Just blew up on 99...not laughing at the moment :brickwall

I thought i'd try the stick and have found it a lot easier and smoother, can't see it replacing the D-pad online though.

[Colonel]

Zone 100 at Syncopia's one of those invisible barriers, once you do it though you'll do it all the time :)

I'm struggling with Vineta K at the moment (again). My top 5 scores are all around 149,000, but I know I can get over 160,000. Just need that perfect run.

[KGB]

Invisible barriers! Not more Glitches :D

I hope I have it cracked by the end of the week.

[ZixXer]

Zone 100 at Syncopia's one of those invisible barriers, once you do it though you'll do it all the time :)

I'm struggling with Vineta K at the moment (again). My top 5 scores are all around 149,000, but I know I can get over 160,000. Just need that perfect run.

well you know how to handel the high speeds! damm 100+ its nice!
I never came over 84, but that was not on syncopia's. it was on vineta k.

because i like the feel of vineta k alot more, it feels so small and in cockpit view. the feel is just way more intens than the times i tryed syncopia's.

but what zone level do you get, because sometimes i have realy low ones, top 30 or so but higher zones then top 5 players. just keep trying and you will become a mutch older pilot (most die around 10 min ;) of game time.)

next week i have some time left and will do a shot at the 1e place.

btw congratz with the rev 1e place to.

my goal is 100 on vineta k and it will happen.... some day...

[KGB]

Yay me 102 :). I can retire now.

[Jav]

well you know how to handel the high speeds! damm 100+ its nice!
I never came over 84, but that was not on syncopia's. it was on vineta k.

because i like the feel of vineta k alot more, it feels so small and in cockpit view. the feel is just way more intens than the times i tryed syncopia's.

but what zone level do you get, because sometimes i have realy low ones, top 30 or so but higher zones then top 5 players. just keep trying and you will become a mutch older pilot (most die around 10 min ;) of game time.)

next week i have some time left and will do a shot at the 1e place.

btw congratz with the rev 1e place to.

my goal is 100 on vineta k and it will happen.... some day...First place atm is ProblemSolver again who set a 290k something record, but it's not on the leaderboards. Zone 100 on Vineta K is probably impossible..

[Colonel]

but what zone level do you get, because sometimes i have realy low ones, top 30 or so but higher zones then top 5 players.

I usually get to about zone 60 - 63. It's probably my least favourite zone track to be honest. I much prefer tracks without BRs because you don't have to balance the BRs with perfect laps, you just concentrate on Sps and clean laps / zones. But that's just me being unable to multi-task :|

Zone 84 @ Vineta K though, that's bloody impressive, well done.


Edit - Oh by the way, I noticed finish-killer has set a new W.R @ Syncopia :eek

[amplificated]

I love the tracks where you can BR... makes it so much easier to get a better score for people like me who can't cope with ridiculous speeds :3

And well done KGB, that's a benchmark I need to achieve some time soon myself! :P

[Wotan]

Edit - Oh by the way, I noticed finish-killer has set a new W.R @ Syncopia :eek

Yeah , his score is pretty sick and it seems he have margin :blarg . Good luck PBs ^^ .Don't know if he is register here , but we need to invit him .

Btw i'm still trying double zeus , made 2 other 148 today gahhh :brickwall

[Colonel]

Ha, "Double Zeus". Yeah Finish-killer's score is absurd, especially as he "only" got to zone 151. Just think, if you combined his run (135 perfects) with PS's last run (zone 160), you'd surely have something unbeatable.

ProblemSolver, get to work :g

[Wotan]

Yeah !!!! zone 152 clear :g . Still far away killer and pbs , but woaw :rock

Now i understand pbs when he said "this is a binary situation" . I was middle shield enter zone 150 . I almost made a perfect lap on 152 , but miss the last turn ... = dead :blarg . Anyway i'm glad to join the "double zeus crew" :banzai

[Colonel]

That must be like the "300mph club" for zone, an exclusive club indeed. Good effort Wotan :)

[Reezy]

I'd practice Syncopia more except it takes so long per run!
If anyone has any videos of Talons Junction, I'd love to see them. I've no idea how to do the tightest corner on it after maybe 5 laps or so. The top scores must have atleast 7 or 8 perfect laps no?

[Colonel]

Oh yeah THAT corner, one of the hardest corners in the game on zone, up there with that awful one @ Chenghou. I can only recommend getting as tight as possible to the outside wall on your approach and really throwing it round. Maybe with a sideshift chucked in for good measure (he says, haha).

I know what you mean about the time taken for Syncopia, but I've got a craving for it now, gonna do a few runs this weekend :)

[Jav]

Oh yeah cheers for reminding me about Talons :) I still had to do that one and just set new WR, 57/36. My first mistake came in Super Phantom, quite chuffed with that. The corner is a lil' bitch, on the higher speeds you must stay as far to the left as possible, then swing your craft to the right, but it requires perfect timing. And a nice little side-shift of course.

Sorry didn't film it :(

[Colonel]

Well done mate :clap

[yeldar2097]

How on earth did you manage to get to Super Phantom without rinsing yourself on that corner o_O
I ate it at Zone 17 :brickwall.
Oranje boven now though, the way it should be. Orange people everywhere :pirate

[yeldar2097]

Mach 1 on Chenghou Project Reverse :hyper

Had a quick go at TDRR, closing in on Supersonic :pirate

[Colonel]

Jesus Yeldar, your nailing Zone :clap

[Reezy]

Damn Yeldar, breaking records all over the place. Good stuff :)

[yeldar2097]

Cheers ^_^

Just got Supersonic Amphiseum :g

[Colonel]

Christ, good effort Yeldar! Well you've officially conquered zone now, 10 W.Rs :clap

Detonator next? ;)

[Wotan]

Well , as some people saw on wipeout hd videos thread , i joined problemsolver on zone 160 . So i can put some cool numbers here :cowboy

Zone 160 means about :
110 laps
almost 27 minutes of playing
total distance of 549 km (341 miles)
Speed of 2004 km/h (1245 miles/h)
and 1 136 548 343 speed pads (lol don't know if this is my ps3 , but that number become bugged after zone 146-147)

and that was my best feeling ever on zone mode . zone 150 to 160 are so exciting , but problemsolver is right , u must don't have any cardiac problem , i remember i could feel clearly beatings of my heart ... disturbing :rock

[Reezy]

Sooooooooooooooo jealous. I'll be sure to check out that video.

[ZixXer]

I played a few games of wipeout again. and damm i forgot how good it feels!
after a few games of vineta k zone mode i thought, lets try and mesure my hart rate while gaming.

i got a 66 av while just sitting. so i tryed it on and went racing. And when i was realy in the zen feeling(zone 30+-) i heard some beeps, it was the hart indicator telling me i went below 40 beets a min. After I got into the high zones my hart rate went up a little, and came to a hold around 80. i got a av hart rate that game of 70.

one othere thing, this is the only game, were i forget to breath, i realy have to manualy breath to get air, realy anoying ;)

got to zone 79 on vk and did a perfect lap there, at that point i wanted to see how mutch hp i got, and a sec later i died from around 15 crashes.....

hapens to me alot.... i have to tell myself at high levels, dont look at the hp indicator or you lose hp. some how i always look, and always lose hp or die.... I even tryed puting something infront of my TV to block it, but that was even a bigger distraction :brickwall.

Do you guys get simular effects?

[yeldar2097]

Yup, every time. Always looking everywhere but at where the ship is supposed to be going :P

Have you tried maybe using the W3O or the 2097 HUD choices instead of WOHD HUD? They are less intrusive and the 2097 HUD doesn't even show a number for your shield, just a random guage thing.

:)

[Colonel]

one othere thing, this is the only game, were i forget to breath, i realy have to manualy breath to get air, realy anoying ;)


I mentioned this a while back, quite scary isn't it? :eek

[ZixXer]

yes it is scary as hell.

oh yes im using a diverent hud, i think it is 2097, with the score on the left and the healt bar on the right.

the HD hud made it harder for the times i go down slopes, and that hapens in vk.

btw yeldar2097, nice beating me on that track! now I want level 100 even more XD

[Reezy]

Oh man I was so close to Talon record. I was passed the hairpin with maybe 1 shield left. If I hadn't choked on the final bend then there was alot of track left to get points before any tricky corners. Pitching up definitely helps on the tight corner.

[JFthebestJan]

i played ZB offline today
syncopia ZT 55 easy AI
i noticed after supersonic theme is another theme that looks almost like mach 1 theme
but it's not as dark as mach 1, so it must be mach 2 theme :)
@ PS; WOWO; FINISH-KILLER:
u have to go for it, plz :D

[Challenger #001]

I've noticed that myself. I always think it's either a revert to Zen, or in the same way that you have a black course upon starting a reverse track ZB/Zone. So it's either Sub-Sub-Venom, or Hypersonic.

[JFthebestJan]

on normal tracks there is no difference between supersonic theme and mach 2 theme

[Sausehuhn]

I though I could share this moment with you guys:

Just had a few races with the minimalistic WO3 HUD, SFX turned almost off and music volume on maximium playing Daft Punk’s TRON Legacy Soundtrack. It’s like racing a light cicle on high speeds – especially when the whole track is filled with neon stripes only. It was awesome :D

[JFthebestJan]

just watched TRON Legacy on thursday 27th in 3D of course.
i've had no idea how great a motion picture soundtrack could be :)
i bought the soundtrack direct after the movie, and i am listening to it the whole day since then. it's my new wipEout HD playlist too, zone is so amazing with it

[JFthebestJan]

new WR!
Zone Sebenco Reverse 61/36-126374 points

[Colonel]

Aah you did it! Congrats mate, great acheivement. :)

Not looking forward to our next Z.B there though :cold

[yeldar2097]

Niiiice :+

[Reezy]

Most impressive Jan, good job!

[yeldar2097]

I like the pics. I wish I had the balls to pause on a good run and get a nice pic (ChengR grr :() but I can never bring myself to do it just in case :paperbag

[Colonel]

I meant to mention something but forgot. About a week ago I was playing Zone battle online. I forget which track, I was a bit drunk, it was one of the normal HD tracks though. I boosted off the track at about zone 40 and died.

When I re-spawned the colours were those of Supersonic on the Zone tracks, the lovely gold colour. It only lasted a few seconds and I didn't get a chance to take a picture, shame because it looked awesome 8)

Anyone else seen this?

[Challenger #001]

Slightly off the origional topics, but still interesting. I've heard a few people talking about what Mach 2 would look like, but my belief was that Mach 2 fell under the realm of Super Sonic speeds, and you wouldn't get another colour until Hyper Sonic. Given that Hyper Sonic begins after you hit Mach 5, I did a bit of maths to work out at what approximate zone level that was assuming the accelleration rate that we knew for sure.

Unfortunately for those looking for a new colour scheme, even if it does exist within the realms of Studio Liverpool to have implemented it, Hyper Sonic won't kick in until Zone 431.

Working on request. :3

[Colonel]

Wotan need to pull his finger out then :lol

[ZixXer]

I would be cool that if you had the ps3 online and you beat a wr on speed you get a uniqe color for example mirror, if you get the most points you get shiny gold. and if you get the most zones you get a rainbow.

that makes if cool, because when you got a new wr you know because of the colors.

I btw got a new vid of me on v-K getting into supersonic. But I crashed around 79. And I want to do some clean laps in the supersonic level.

[Colonel]

Something pretty unusual has happened a couple of times in Zone Battle. When I've died and re-spawned the colours have been (Pure Four) Supersonic :eek

It's happened twice, most recently earlier this week when I was having a spam race with Jan (one of the silliest things I've yet to do :lol). This time it happened to be at Mallavol, but the other time it was on a normal HD track - Metropia if I remember rightly.

Picture attached. Sorry about the quality, I was in a hurry to capture it before it changed.

[Medusa]

Is there any way this thread could be stickied? I really think it should be...

Also, I don't think I know what that "Barrier Prediction Unit (BPU) displayed on
your HUD" is. Likely since I'm too busy smacking into walls to actually look at the HUD...
I need some ZB help haha. Probably just zone in general though.

[ZixXer]

I got tips to get better.

1: play more!
2: go back to 1

btw I never seen the max speeds on the tracks. that would be cool.

on V-K my fastest speed that i remember was 1535 got around zone 82 that time. We can do a challange for that to to get the highest speeds on a track.

I did a test in singel race on phantom and if i used a turbo on a booster i could not get higher then 1390 or so. so that means that supersonic is always turbospeed+ nice to know.

[mdhay]

...Also, I don't think I know what that "Barrier Prediction Unit (BPU) displayed on your HUD" is...

Think or the top three segments as the lanes on the track. You can no doubt figure out the rest. :)

[Medusa]

Ohhh! Thanks mdhay :)

[ZixXer]

Medusa

I know that your a bad! guy with your stone freez ****, but to get post 666! does that mean you got from: evil to satans girl, calling him on his 666 cel nr?

[Medusa]

LOLz...I've a poem all about that somewhere...haha. Taking numbers for omens is for people who can't handle the evil in real life dontcha know? :D
For instance my current address starts off: #6, 66...

[JFthebestJan]

DONE!
i (well, my prepared pad) finally reached the last zone, still supersonic :(
no photos this time, but some numbers:
zones - 3399
perfect zones - 1
laps - 0
perfect laps - 0
max speed - 2399km/h (obviously a bug, must be something about 10000+km/h)
speed pads - 54286
time travelled - 9.59.99 (obviously a bug, took almost 10h)
distance travelled - 4.151km
score - 9829928
loyalty points - 17010

i must say, im a bit disappointed. i really was hoping to reach the final zone class. now it's obvious, studio liverpool has added the last zone class just for zone battle mode with the fury dlc add on. now im convinced, no1 will ever get 'there' in normal zone mode, unless a new glitch is found, which allows u to do countless zones.

[amplificated]

Still, good effort there Jan. At least we now know (or at the least have a good idea of) what's at the end of the rabbit hole :P

[ZixXer]

DONE!
i (well, my prepared pad) finally reached the last zone, still supersonic :(
no photos this time, but some numbers:
zones - 3399
perfect zones - 1
laps - 0
perfect laps - 0
max speed - 2399km/h (obviously a bug, must be something about 10000+km/h)
speed pads - 54286
time travelled - 9.59.99 (obviously a bug, took almost 10h)
distance travelled - 4.151km
score - 9829928
loyalty points - 17010

i must say, im a bit disappointed. i really was hoping to reach the final zone class. now it's obvious, studio liverpool has added the last zone class just for zone battle mode with the fury dlc add on. now im convinced, no1 will ever get 'there' in normal zone mode, unless a new glitch is found, which allows u to do countless zones.

What zone 3399 is the last zone? I always thought that i could race forever as long as my skills were good(UBER!!!) enough!

thats kina sad to know i only have 3315 zones left to go.

[JFthebestJan]

hey, some news about the final zone score ;)

my 3399 zones-run was set with 576i 50Hz/fps
now, that i play on 1080p 60Hz/fps, i made another run(with exactly the same setup).
3896!!!!! 12000000+points :D

[MegaGeeza22]

LOL... how is that even possible? you must need to be doing at least 10 laps a second at zone 3000.

[JFthebestJan]

it's possible with XXXXX of the game. u have to use the XXXXX glitch. i did it not for the record, but for the search of the 'secret' zone (mach2 or hypersonic). i wont tell how to do it correctly, and im always using an offline-only account for these runs. u can read about it here http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5218&page=50
2nd post

[Reezy]

So did you come out of the glitch and try to actually get round the track at that speed? How was it?

[JFthebestJan]

it was an absolute impossible task, lol.
died immediately :D

[Ragsus Maxima]

Piloting at that speed would be nuts and impossible to keep the control of the ship even for a 1/10 of second. :P

Thanks for showing us all this, JF; I always was wondering how fast would be go the ship at over the thousand zone.

[JFthebestJan]

hey, i'll try to do several short movies with just a lap or so around zone 100/200/300...1000, if possible :D
should be interesting to watch how fast a human can handle the zone mode ;)
maybe we can make a challenge out of it, hehe.
complete a whole lap at zone xy on anulpha pass using the XXXXX glitch to get as far as needed to start ur attempt.

[kaori]

it's possible with XXXXXXXXXX. u have to use A SECRET glitch. i did it not for the record, but for the search of the 'secret' zone (mach2 or hypersonic). i wont tell how to do it correctly, and im always using an offline-only account for these runs. u can read about it here http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5218&page=50
2nd post

Don't talk too much ;)

[P_Denton]

...

Btw, how does everyone manage their brs on sol 2 in ZBs ?

[Cyberio]

Hey Paul Denton, i raced with you in ZB sometimes. Keep up this nice mode so we still can play it nowadays.

[Colonel]

Hahaaa, 63!!! :o

I didn't know if it was possible but I was sure that if anyone got there it would be you or Jan. Superb effort Denton, this beer's on me :beer

[P_Denton]

Hah, everything is possible with a lil' bit of lag ;) 63.1 is probably doable on a *very* laggy session, but good luck lagging enough and timing it, I've only seen 55.1s on my screen for traces amount of time twice^^
Cyberio (and others), if you want a game, don't hesitate to ask if you see me online, I'm always up for a little bit of zb ;)

I was actually asking about Sol 2 because I don't really know what would be the best way to actually perform the brs (in the prospect of winning instead of fooling around :P). I think on the first two laps, it'd be best to hit all the speed pads and hit the first right wall to get a br off (ala flash). Afterwards, one is too fast to do that but still has hp left (~60 or 20). You can do a (ss-)br on the second right wing but it makes you miss a pad, potentially two since you oughta hit one upon landing, which is hard at 40+. So I dunno if it's worth it considering 2pads+br=3pads+epsilon and pad+br<3pads Worse thing, is that it give you less margin to your lines, so when I tested it, I kept running into barriers at 40+. I accidentaly managed a course which enable a double BR, but it has pretty much the same problem and is kinda crazy to pull off :lol I don't exactly remember it but I think it was something like quitting the track on the left, bring above the first wing, crossing the track, BRing above the right wing.
tl;dr (2 flash BRing+BRing above the right wing while <40)=best solution ? Anyone up for trying to TT it like that ? :)

Another question : has anyone got a consistent method to br on sol 2 rev save for hitting the walls at 40+ ?

Oh and we also tried some "Airbraker" ZBs (like the trophy name, ie using only aribrakes) with Ragsus yesterday (with a couple of random noobs to spice things up :) ). Easy as **** on syncopia, kinda hard on CP^^ I expected to fare a little worse, but that wasn't so bad. Ragsus masters cornering using only brakes so well it's not even funny :P Anyway, we somehow forgot to test that on SC and we definitely need to try some airbraker spam APf (the ss "cooldown" will be kinda problematic :lol ). I think we can forget about airbraker spam ubersplit forward though XD

EDIT: I totally forgot to test the boost br under the wing tho. Oh well, till next week if jan or someone else doesn't get right to it with pics or a vid to boot :)
EDIT2: Well I couldn't resist^^ It's a bit easier than in SRs actually, and failure is less punishing (easier to stay in-bounds). The classic boost double-br sounds impossible tho. Maybe it is possible to do it without boost @45+. I've got a fairly clean pic @31. I've also managed an awesome recovery once by boosting through the underbelly of the track O_o Anyway, here are the pics :)

[Light Buster]

New record in Zone mode on Syncopia. Final Zone: 94, Final Score: 299,695

[Colonel]

Good effort Light Buster.

And nice work Denton. I've never tried the boost under the wing on ZB, can't imagine it's easy to control. Can't answer any of your questions I'm afraid, I just don't think that hard about it to be honest. Probably explains why you kick my arse with such ease. Nice pics though :)

[Archon]

When do you guys normally play? I'm in the EST zone but could pretty much play whenever during my evening. I've only ever seen one zone battle room and it was hosted by a Japanese player. ZB is the most fun versus mode, though. No need getting frustrated over poor pickups 'cause zone 40+ is Hell on everybody.

[Colonel]

I'm usually online most evenings. The time varies but any time from about 5pm GMT to about midnight GMT. And at the weekends I'm on at various times. I don't host that much ZB because it's difficult to get a decent room going, but very easy to jump in a Rapier SR room. But if there were more ZB players around I'd happily play more.

[P_Denton]

Saturday evenings for me exclusively. I'd play more, but that's what col said, it's not that easy to get a good room going. Truth to be told, it only happens when I come across col, ragsus or a potential zber in the chatbox^^ I'd be glad to play if you can make it around those times ;)

@Col : it's not exactly easy, but certainly less frustrating than doing it in phantom SLs and waaaaay easier to recover from a mistake. The only problem being the barriers accumulating under the wing. It's still purely cosmetic though, and most of the other things could be theorically better. In the end it always come down on catching all the pads ;) Even if the average zb level was as refined as the SR's level, I'm not sure if people would be considering these things since the gain seems kinda ridiculous.

[Ragsus Maxima]

I'm also likely to do some Zone Battles if any of you guys are online; not many people play this mode, so make sure you enjoy it as best as you can. :)

And by the way, Denton, you don't know how many times I was bouncing against the walls, especially at Cheghou Project, when we were doing our "only airbrakes" zone battling. I'm not that good with them. :g

[Light Buster]

This is my Zone Run on Syncopia before I beat this run again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn6K4Q2boNA

[Zzonkmiles]

So I only started playing this game once it was offered during Sony's Welcome Back program. I have to say, Wipeout HD is a ton of fun. It's quite challenging and there's a lot of replay value.

Of all the modes this game has, I find myself playing Zone the most often and Zone Battle a fairly close second. Unfortunately, there aren't many Zone Battlers online. Anyway, I have a few questions about Zone:

1. I've read that all the ships handle the same in Zone mode, but I don't think this is true. Which ships do you tend to recommend or not recommend when it comes to Zone? I've made it to Zone 106 on Syncopia with Goteki 45, but I've gotten more perfect laps with Mirage until around Zone 80 when I can't keep a consistent line. Some of the ships clearly turn more easily than others, even in Zone.

2. If you screw up a perfect lap, is it still worth it to attempt a barrel roll, or should you just save your ship energy because you won't be recovering any until you can attempt another zone up to 10 seconds later?

3. How can you prevent a small crash from causing you to pinball down the track? Ideally, I'd scrape or clip a wall and be able to move on, but sometimes I end up bouncing and ricocheting left and right, causing me to lose 30-40 ship energy.

4. Are there any dedicated Zone Battlers here that wish to add me? I may have seen a few of you online, but I am not yet elite when it comes to this. My PSNID is Zzonkmiles.

5. My strategy with Zone (on Syncopia) is to get as many barrel rolls as possible at the lower speeds (and reduce myself to maybe 25-30 ship energy) and then restrict myself to one barrel roll per lap once I reach Super Phantom. Then I can slowly recover my ship energy. Is there a better way to get more points?

Thanks for any help, and hope to see some of you on the track.

[Colonel]

Hi there. In answer to your questions:

1. It's been debated before, and never really resolved as far as I know. Some people feel there is a difference, others swear they're all the same. Personally I feel a slight difference, and tend to use Feisar or Harimau for all tracks.

2. It's a matter of confidence. If you reckon you'll claw back the energy with a perfect zone then go for it. It's just experience that will teach you these judgement calls.

3. Sometimes it's impossible, but there are a few things you can try to right yourself. You can sideshift off the wall on impact then steer in the opposite direction, but it's really an intuitive move that I do, you'll figure out your own ways to stop pinballing with practice.

4. There are a few on here. I play quite a bit of ZB, I'll send you a friend request with my Erik_Ponti account.

5. Not really. Barrel Roll as much as possible. I get my energy down to pretty much zero and keep it there as long as I dare, then gradually ease up on the BRs until I have full energy, before it gets tough and I know I'll start crashing.

Sorry I can't be of more help. Zone's quite a visceral thing, the more you play the more natural it will feel, and you'll then start to improve rapidly. Good luck, and keep Zoning :)

[JFthebestJan]

hey there, let me give my 'senf dazu'

3. if u start to pinballing all over the track at HIGH speeds, try to anti-countersteer...that means you've to steer into the same direction you chrashed into the wall. let's say you crash into the right wall, steer right on impact and you should be able to stabilise your ship.

4. im always up for ZB

5. my way:
first lap = 3BRs => 2BRs/lap up to the first lap of Super-Phantom => from now up to Sub-Sonic 1BR/lap interrupted by 2BRs/firstLap whenever entering a new zone class => 1BR/lap up to Super-Sonic => 1BR/2laps until death ;)

[Solid]

Does anyone know how fast you can go in zone mode using anulpha pass glitch? some guy got zone 3,336. How many KPH is that!

[Ragsus Maxima]

Thay "guy" is the one who replied just before you. :P He might forgot the top speed he reached, but I'm not sure. What about an accurate answer from Jan?

[JFthebestJan]

2399km/h as you can see here http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/showthread.php?6501-ZONE-Zone-Battle-thread-of-vEry-awEsomEnEss/page67 last post.

im NOT the guy on the leaderboards, cause im always playing with an offline-only account when im doing this!

[Solid]

On my zone 123 I got 1,783 KPH. Ryuga got 2,134 KPH on zone 183. By that pattern 2,400 KPH would 'only' be about zone 220-230. Did you ever get near top speed because you would have to exit the glitch right? Those boost pad numbers are insane. That glitch isnt great for loyalty boosting though. I can get 4,000 loyalty in a 20min run, 12,000 per hr and you got 17,000 in over 9.5 hrs!
Also is 10 million points possible, why does the run end?

[JFthebestJan]

just to clarify, my intention in doing these 'runs' wasn't to get loyalty points. it was my believe to reach the final zone-class (Mach2 or Hyper-Sonic), the glitch was just a tool i used to achieve my goal. unfortunately there's no zone-class after Super-Sonic, but without my research i wouldn't know for sure.

[Solid]

Haha yeh ok. Shame there is no extra class

[Zzonkmiles]

Even though Syncopia is my main Zone track, I've started experimenting with some of the others. The three hardest tracks for me BY FAR are Ubermall reverse, Modesto Heights reverse and Pro Tozo. Whether it's zone or racing mode, I am downright AWFUL at those tracks. I wish I could attempt speed laps on Pro Tozo. Maybe if I try zone battles and never boost, that might be as close as I can get.

[Reezy]

Try using the early zones to take the most perfect line you can, eg taking corners really wide to get you in to position for the next more tricky ones. Getting used to it at slower zones should train your brain/hands to give a better instinct for the faster zones. Doing something as simple as telling yourself "ok this corner should be easy if I can place my craft here before it" really helped me.

[Solid]

Anyone done a barrel roll on Mallavol? Iv had the opportunity a few times. If you crash into the wall just before triple chicane at a really high zone you can fly up into the air and barrel roll!

[Zzonkmiles]

I just set a new score of 311,000 on Syncopia. I'm so excited. But I can tell that it's a lot harder to move up the leaderboard now. I guess 300,000 is a dividing line between a good zone player and a really good one. An average run for me now is 90-something zones. A good run puts me in the low 100s. I think I can do a little better, but the racing line keeps shifting. I seem to have better results with Auricom and Harimau than the other ships. Feisar was a disaster.

OMG. I just had an AMAZING run on Syncopia. I ran a 108/87 and got 338,655 points. This put me at #57 worldwide and one rank higher than the legendary Colonel Gaddafi! I saw a 106/89 run that was even higher ranked than I was, so the secret is clearly getting perfect laps and barrel rolling consistently. I had all perfect zones and perfect laps until I scraped a wall for the first time at Zone 68. I guess I just found the right racing line and couldn't stop. I remember getting a few perfect laps well into the 90s and maybe even one at 102. I did die a painful death though. I hit a wall at a 90-degree angle and went airborne. I got disoriented and couldn't recover. But I am so pumped. If Super Ryuga still plays this game, he had better watch out! (By the way, I saw a 118/17 run on the leaderboard. How the heck did THAT happen?)

LONG LIVE THE ZONE!!!

6668

[Colonel]

Sorry Miles, but that score is an old one. My current score can be found on Connavar's ranking site here: http://www.wipeoutrankings.com/. Feel free to keep calling me legendary though :g

[Solid]

SuperRyuga does still play, he just beat the corridon 12 WR today. My best on syncopia is 280,000 with 92/71, Im not great on that track by any stretch.

[JFthebestJan]

if there's some interest here, i'll upload a few short videos tomorrow, showing the highest speeds ever shown on video ;)

zone 100+ / 200+ / 360+ / 500+

[docfo4r]

Sure I'd love to see it ;)

[Solid]

Lets see 3000 XD

[JFthebestJan]

100+ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEM3rjarJJQ
150+ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDEvBjlHA8g
200+ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVHDWDHCVPw
360+ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVojKlno4lU
500+ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgy6eNnWYPY

[docfo4r]

When do you get that color scheme? Which zone? I never got that far...

[JFthebestJan]

@docfo4r: supersonic theme for all standard race tracks. 75onwards

@Solid: 3000+ = immediate death :)

[docfo4r]

Really? Lol, supersonic looks simply white when I play :!

[JFthebestJan]

supersonic theme for PRO TOZO - MALLAVOL - CORRIDON 12 - SYNCOPIA is whitish
supersonic theme for all other tracks is blackish

[docfo4r]

Oh, that explains it. Only got that far on the first four you mentioned...

[Solid]

thanks jan XD, thats some crazy ****. Supersonic is yellow on the pure 4. I have zone 90 plus on those.

[Ragsus Maxima]

Thanks very much Jan for those videos. :) That's some serious speeding!

[Zzonkmiles]

I recently cracked 350,000 on Syncopia. I believe it was a 109/88 run. Since I've started concentrating more, I'm typically able to make it to Zone 75 with no fewer than 5 imperfect laps, if even that many. I'm having a hard time finding the racing line once I hit Zone 105 or so. The farthest I've ever made it was Zone 115, but the score wasn't as high. I'm also finding Auricom to be the best craft for me to use in zone mode.

I have also started experimenting on other tracks and I can't do well on them at all. The only one I've hit Mach 1 on is Anulpha Pass. And I've hit Subsonic on Anulpha Pass-reverse. Tracks like Sebenco Climb, Ubermall, Sol 2, and Modesto Heights are a nightmare. I haven't even hit Zen on those tracks yet.

If there's one regret I have, it's that I didn't find out about this game until Sony's "Welcome Home" promotion after their servers got hacked. Seems like I found this game on the tail end of its popularity. This is really a fun game to play and I probably have even more fun offline than online. I absolutely LOVE zone mode, but I HATE it when I am at Supersonic and am forced to pause the game. (I had to do that earlier today and got a game over shortly there after. Wanna see an 83/75 run on Syncopia? Just tell me to pause the game at Zone 80!)

Oh, and I was able to add one of the top people on the leaderboards yesterday. I'm so excited. He's got great records and is whipping me on every track except Syncopia. This is keeping the pressure on me to up my game!

[Solid]

Add me too zonk :). Im at 280k on syncopia

[Zzonkmiles]

Add me too zonk :). Im at 280k on syncopia

Sure, I'll add you. It'll be great having people on my friend list who inspire me to push myself harder and faster. My PSN ID is Zzonkmiles. I mainly play Zone offline (typically Syncopia, but I play other tracks too), though I sometimes play Zone Battle and Detonator. I rarely do time trials, so I can't offer much competition there. Heh.

As for Syncopia, one thing that helped me increase my score from the 275,000 range to the 325,000 range is maxing out the barrel rolls and perfect laps on the lower speed classes. I used to keep my ship energy full or nearly full even at speeds like Sub-Rapier. But since those zones are easy to get perfect laps on, there's no need to keep all that energy. So I max out the barrel rolls until I hit Super-Phantom and then do one BR per lap while I slowly get my ship energy back. Once I hit Mach 1, I'll do a BR every other lap or twice every three laps. That's really helped my score. Now I hit 200,000 around Zone 57 or so on most runs.

[LightningRacer]

I've been really hooked on zone recently, especially on the metropia tracks, since they're by far my favourite tracks in the game. I recently attained a score of 152810 on Metropia Reverse which earned me the 12th spot on the worldwide rankings (that is, if they're actually accurate and not full of glitchers or whatever like some of the other tracks):

6716

I'm the sort of person that focuses purely on getting those perfect laps and hitting as many speed boosts as possible, because the score gain in the first part of the run can be massive. Unfortunately, once I reach the higher zones I just seem to full apart and hit wall after wall because I'm so used to taking a line which gets me the speed pads as opposed to avoiding the walls (sometimes the transitions between different speed classes can be really distracting!!!!)

If anyone has particularly good zone scores, I wouldn't mind adding them and giving a few goes at trying to beat some of them. :D

My PSN is LightningRacer.

[Solid]

Anyone remember what zones they got on their first ever turn? My friend who never played wipEout before I set him up on zone straight away and he got zone 14 first time, 21 after a few goes on Mallavol. I think I started in the 30s

[doj-zaki-13]

Zone battle is awsome, but i don't play it very well, i love when i get a gold medal on elite difficulty in a zone battle.

[ZixXer]

Anyone remember what zones they got on their first ever turn? My friend who never played wipEout before I set him up on zone straight away and he got zone 14 first time, 21 after a few goes on Mallavol. I think I started in the 30s

I dont think i got mutch higher then 19. i played alot of wipeout before but that was wipeout 1,2,3 so there were a few years of no wipeout at all. also all wipeouts that i did i played behind the ship. but this wipeout i wanted to learn to fly in the ship not because its better or so but because the sence of speed is just alot Heigher!

played 3 rounds of zone mode v-k and got to 82 zones. my rec is 84 i may try to break it tonight but i'm already very tired :P
I wanna beat problemsolver and kill all zones till zone 100 i just love to play v-k just the right amound of corners and difucultie. cokpit view ftw.

ps i feel my brains slurping energy if i get 75+ zones

pps not going for zone score at this point. just wanna beat the 100 but i dont play alot any more so that will be hard to manage :P

[ZixXer]

YAY just managed to get 86 zones on V-K cokpit view.
36 perfects
52 laps cleared
14 perfect
1532 top speed
302 boosts
14.23.50 total time
234.036 distance (KM)
1865502 zone score
my zone score is low because i played with one hand till zone 50 so i keept bumping in to the wall just before the 2e jump.

got a perfect lap at zone 81 or 82 did not had the time to look at that XD

tobad that the leader boards are ****ed btw.

[ZixXer]

good mood today :D reached new rec!

zones 89
perfect 63
laps 55
perfect laps 32
top speed 1555
boosts 312
total time 14.52.83
distance travelled 246.999
zone score 257071

cokpit - v-k

[Zzonkmiles]

Okay, I just had my best run EVER on Syncopia:

391,055 (121/97)

The first time I hit a wall was at Zone 81, so I was able to rack up a TON of perfect lap/zone points. I broke 200,000 at Zone 55 and 300,000 in the low 80s. I even got a perfect lap around Zone 115. My score could have been higher if I had not thrown two perfect laps away by oversteering at the end of the laps. I am so pumped about this. Colonel Gaddhafi has gone DOWN!

Who's next?

(checks leaderboard)

Oh, it's Problem Solver, Yeldar and Super Ryuga...

...and their total number of PERFECT zones is higher than my number of TOTAL zones.

Never mind.

[Colonel]

Well done Zzonk. I've been after a go at Syncopia lately, this is a good excuse. Watch this space ;)

[ZixXer]

Vineta-K 90 zones reached! well mr problem solver i'm going to kick you ass now in speed (trying realy hard now!!) i dont mind perfect laps and scores at this point ill worry about that when i get to zone 100

[Zzonkmiles]

Okay, Colonel! Looking forward to it!

By the way, another track I really enjoy Zoning on is Anulpha Pass Reverse. That's probably the only track where I enjoy the reverse version more than the original (well, along with Vineta K Reverse). I've hit Zone 67 on APR, which is decent, considering that I haven't practiced it NEARLY as much. On the regular Anulpha Pass, there's a really cheap design flaw that screws me up. When the track splits near the end and you can take the high road with all the speed pads, there's a large light fixture hanging down at the end of the high road that you can crash into and fall off the track through no fault of your own if you have too much speed. Screw that. I've also crashed into the overhead signs at the beginning of the high road because I had too much airtime coming off of the main track. Dislike.

[Colonel]

The key is to drop off the overpass earlier, like you would in a race. I've not hit anything going onto the bridge. Anulpha Rev is awesome for Zone, definitely one of my favourites. Just checked the rankings and my best is an 88 / 64 run. Might have to have a bash at that too.

[Solid]

Put another friend of mine straight into zone mode mallavol again, destroyed just before entering zone 16. Reached 23 after a few goes. As for me my skills are degrading and not sure I'll get my record back :(.

[Zzonkmiles]

Mallavol is a funny track. It starts off simple enough, but then when things get faster, there are so many small turns that you get disoriented and lose track of where you are on the track. It seems like a track where you can get a very high score though, unlike Modesto Heights or Sebenco Climb. Ugh.

[Zzonkmiles]

Vineta-K 90 zones reached! well mr problem solver i'm going to kick you ass now in speed (trying realy hard now!!) i dont mind perfect laps and scores at this point ill worry about that when i get to zone 100

I have mad respect for you guys who are good at Vineta K. I like this track a lot, but I really have trouble with it once you hit Super Phantom or so. I have a very hard time getting perfect zones because the track is so narrow and there are so many turns that make it easy to hit the walls. I don't know how you guys do it.

[yeldar2097]

Patch 2.51 kinda helps xD

[Reezy]

I'm not sure what version I have but I know I haven't updated it in a long time. Why does 2.51 help yeldar?

Another hint for Anulpha Pass: It's possible to do 2 barrel rolls per lap early on if you do one going onto the bridge. It takes a lot of precision and is a bit risky because you've wasted 15 shield if you mess up. However the extra ~1200 pts (can't believe I still don't know the exact amount :D) is always a nice bonus.

[​Ω​]

I think 2.51 either increased shield of zone ship, or handling, or both.

Was 2.51 already pre-installed on the retail (UK disc) copy?

[Colonel]

However the extra ~1200 pts (can't believe I still don't know the exact amount :D) is always a nice bonus.

1,000 per Barrel Roll Reezy. And yeah, I can't believe you don't know either :lol

[Ragsus Maxima]

I think 2.51 either increased shield of zone ship, or handling, or both.
It only changed the handling. When you turn, the ship will lose more speed, decreasing your turning radius and thus, the chances to take the turn cleanly increases.

[Reezy]

@Colonel. I used to think this but watching the score as you land one makes it look like it's 1200 or 1250.

[​Ω​]

It only changed the handling. When you turn, the ship will lose more speed, decreasing your turning radius and thus, the chances to take the turn cleanly increases.

Awesome info - thanks for clarifying. I'm playing the retail copy without dedicated internet connection so I'm not sure if it tells you to patch. Do you know if it what version the disc is? Maybe moving from zone 63->75 will be a little easier than I had hoped.

So far I've noticed:
Speed Pads = 100pts
Barrel Rolls = 1000pts
Perfect Zones = 1000pts
Perfect Laps = 2000pts

Perfect Zones heal your ship ?10%?, but nothing else does.
Barrel Rolls take the standard 15% off meaning you can only average one attempted BR every 15 seconds (if you want to think of it like that).
But I can't put my finger on how many points you get at every moment of play. It doesn't seem to increase with speed. I could figure it out manually if I count BRs I suppose... assuming it's constant. Any ideas?


On the regular Anulpha Pass, there's a really cheap design flaw that screws me up. When the track splits near the end and you can take the high road with all the speed pads, there's a large light fixture hanging down at the end of the high road that you can crash into and fall off the track through no fault of your own if you have too much speed. Screw that. I've also crashed into the overhead signs at the beginning of the high road because I had too much airtime coming off of the main track. Dislike.

Does this still happen if you nose down the whole fall? Or if you miss the last speed boost on the high road? I mean it will always happen at high enough speeds (and you'll be forced to fall onto low road), but if it's just starting to happen at the zones you're talking about then maybe nosing down would prevent it.

[Solid]

Barrel roll is 1200 pts definitely, look closely lol, its easier to see if u record it then watch it back.

[yeldar2097]

It only changed the handling. When you turn, the ship will lose more speed, decreasing your turning radius and thus, the chances to take the turn cleanly increases.
^ This. Overall less twitchy, so free perfect laps.
The change is quite dramatic in my opinion, certainly at higher zones. I've side-by-side tested pre (unbroken) and post 2.51 and not sure which I prefer. Zone feels much more involving pre 2.51, and much prefer the way the ship feels, but on the other hand, with 2.51 you can go around 20-40 zones higher (varies from track to track obviously), so you get to feel higher speeds around the tracks, zone mode lasts longer, all good stuff. Bah I don't know. At least it's still playable unlike the rest of the game -_-

[rdmx]

Can you still redownload the old pre-airbrake patch version? I have yet to patch my Wipeout HD.

[yeldar2097]

The only other version you can get is if you do a fresh download (I think). If I were you I wouldn't patch it if you enjoy any game modes other than Zone.

[ZixXer]

HP does not heal 10% but just heals 10hp out of max 100. because 10% of 1 hp would mean you get 0.1hp back after a perfect zone and you dont get 0.1hp back but 10 every time. and br 1200 point whahaha I always tought they were just 1000 but after a quike chek your right 1200 or 1250 cool now i know i need to do more brls. uploading a old wipeout vid now where i play v-k cockpit with the controler in screen and getting to zone 78. upload so damm slow :P
Well here it is enjoy... or not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhSOyyQ8xno&feature=youtu.be

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Lol. it heals your shield 10% just like barrel rolls take off 15% or absorbing autopilot heals 20%. That is to say it heals a % of your max health. Obviously it wouldn't heal based on current values. Ships have different shield strengths, but all have a max shield of '100' and get healed by the same 'number' on the HUD, the only way that works is if the numbers shown are percentages. There may be only one zone ship, but there's no reason to assume its heal works any other way.

And if it was based on current value rather than max value then we'd expect the heal to be 10% of the damage taken, not of the current shield. In other words if you were at 0% shield you'd heal 99/10 = 9.9% and if you were at 50% shield you'd heal 50/10 = 5%. Clearly this isn't the system WO:HD uses, but if you were going to misinterpret me then you could at least assume the system that makes a little more sense ;)

Nice run btw. VK Zone destroys me... Can't deal with the narrowness at high speeds so it always impresses to see a +70 run.



^ This. Overall less twitchy, so free perfect laps.
The change is quite dramatic in my opinion, certainly at higher zones. I've side-by-side tested pre (unbroken) and post 2.51 and not sure which I prefer. Zone feels much more involving pre 2.51, and much prefer the way the ship feels, but on the other hand, with 2.51 you can go around 20-40 zones higher (varies from track to track obviously), so you get to feel higher speeds around the tracks, zone mode lasts longer, all good stuff. Bah I don't know. At least it's still playable unlike the rest of the game -_-

What does this mean? I'm getting PSN soon so I want to know before I accept any patches.

[Zzonkmiles]

HP does not heal 10% but just heals 10hp out of max 100. because 10% of 1 hp would mean you get 0.1hp back after a perfect zone and you dont get 0.1hp back but 10 every time. and br 1200 point whahaha I always tought they were just 1000 but after a quike chek your right 1200 or 1250 cool now i know i need to do more brls. uploading a old wipeout vid now where i play v-k cockpit with the controler in screen and getting to zone 78. upload so damm slow :P
Well here it is enjoy... or not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhSOyyQ8xno&feature=youtu.be

Nice video. I am surprised by the color scheme of Supersonic. It looks like Mach 1. Anyway, I am no good at Vineta K in zone mode. Like the other poster said, it's too narrow for me once I get to maybe Zen. Also, how do you survive playing with the internal cam view? I can't tell if I'm going to clip a wall when I use that camera view! Nice work!

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Got to Zone 75 on page 75 of this thread!

Then I tried the updated version... zone 88 the very first try (Syncopia for both of these mind you). I agree though Yeldar, Zone feels a lot worse now. I kind of wish I had just started with a patched version, playing feels very messed up now.

[ZixXer]

Nice video. I am surprised by the color scheme of Supersonic. It looks like Mach 1. Anyway, I am no good at Vineta K in zone mode. Like the other poster said, it's too narrow for me once I get to maybe Zen. Also, how do you survive playing with the internal cam view? I can't tell if I'm going to clip a wall when I use that camera view! Nice work!

In the craft is harder to fly. i have to agrea. while i'm not sure if it is hader at the 75+ speeds on this track.
I forced myself to play cockpit just because it looks cooler and faster. i did not mind that i was worse in timetriles like that.
and well I'm used to the cockpit collision now. 5000+ laps on a track and you start to learn how it goes. but i'm realy slow in learning. I played trough sp 2 times once noob ai second on elit to get plat. other then that i mostly play this track because for me it got perfect flow. not to hard, not to easy and corners are posible on highs speed.