Recommend me a good TV

[Xavier]

I'm looking to finally get a flat-screen TV in the near future, and have realized that I really want to play PSP games -- Wipeout Pure and Pulse in particular -- on it.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

Wipeout demands split-second timing, so I want the delay from your PSP input to be as small as possible.

I don't want a huge screen, but high resolution would be nice. Does anyone else play Pure and Pulse on TVs? What is the experience like? WO3 supposedly displays better on a HDTV; is that true?

[Yome NetSan]

I recommend the LG 37LG5500
LCD 37" (94cm), Full 1080p HD, 50/60/24Hz, response time 5 ms, light 500 cd/m², contrast 50000:1 (dynamic), Tuner HD MPEG4, plenty of plugs (VGA, HDMI x3, AV Squart x2, YUV, S-Vidéo, Composite)

That's the one I have and I love it. wipEout HD is gorgeous on it. Pure and Pulse are very good but not full screen (I think it's a PSP restriction, not from the TV) but I didn't play on it very often.

[AG-wolf]

well there's a difference between "flat screen" and "flat-panel" I have a 27inch CRT with a flat screen ;)

If you want the least lag possible, you need a CRT, but it's becoming harder and harder to find HDTVs that use CRTs, plus not everyone wants such a large beast in their entertainment center anymore :P

I haven't personally invested in any of the new technology just yet, but of all my friends who have nice big-ass LCD/Plasma/etc TVs, I think Samsung has offered the best picture quality, along with Philips Magnavox (also, coincidentally the only two brands I would ever buy for all the CRT TVs I've gone through)


You're definitely going to wanna research online once you know what models you're interested in, because not every manufacturer lists the response time on the package. 5ms is pretty good, but sometimes even the slightest lag can be very noticeable on games that require such precise reaction (for example, I refuse to play any of the Smash Brothers games unless it's either on a CRT, or if I'm not playing too competitively).

Honestly, when response times get down to around 5ms, though, you may not even notice it, and after a short period of time, you learn to compensate anyway.

[Wip3ou7]

I highly reccomend the Phillips Ambilight series of HDTV's.

They project light behind the TV that changes color with the onscreen graphics. Zone Mode is breathtaking with this TV. Anything is actually. I have the 42 inch 1080p LCD 2-channel ambilight version. Simply breathtaking. Phillips is the only brand that makes a TV with the ambilight feature. Don't settle for home-made ambilight setups, Phillips has perfected the technology with the fastest changing color lights that are integrated into the TV's firmware so that it changes perfectly in sync and even is capable of dyamic coloring (each light can be a different color so that they always match the edges of a the screen). Amazing!

[The Gracer]

well, it really depends. im working as an AV specialist now so heres my two cents from what ive seen and encountered...

In the way of plasmas, the newest series of Panasonics give a generally better picture than any of the others, they are much easier to use, and they have more features and a HUGE amount of inputs on the back.

Im not so familiar with LCD. My panel is an Acer 24' that has a highest native res of 1920 x 1200 (slightly taller picture than 1080HD) with an HDMI input on the back. WipEoutHD looks phenomenal.

The quality of your cables can affect picture as well - dont settle for a cheap 3rd party cable, as they are inadequately shielded and a lot of the time cant carry the bandwidth that HD content needs. a bad cable will increase artifacting and cause the colours to look more washed out than they should.

Make sure you get the latest series of the type of TV you decide on, a lot of the slightly older panels that are smaller than 42in wont display a 1080p image, only 1080i which looks worse than 720p.

[stin]

I`m actually more curious, what is your price range for TV? ;)

Then we will know what we can get for you your taste!

stevie:)

[Lance]

I need a tv, too, but no more than 20 inches/50.8 cm wide at the absolute max, and that includes the case. But it must have a good array of inputs and outputs. My eyes are usually less than 24'' away from the screen when I watch it, and I sit between it and the computer so I can turn to see either one, but not both at the same time. I'm currently using a small CRT, but I want a panelscreen type for watching movies and connecting to an I-might-own-one-in-the-eventual-future-maybe PS3.

[kowareta|vojeet]

Hell YES!
Wipeout HD on philips 47PFL9703
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sY5yHc0FP0

[lunar]

Interesting info in your post Gracer, thanks. I always assumed HDMI, being digital, was either "on or off" so cable quality could make no difference - it either works or it doesn`t. But maybe not so.

I`m currenly using an SDTV, but perhaps should invest in good RGB scart cables as I`m getting some interference on screen I think. Anyone know what sort of cables I should look for? Will go 1080P when this TV explodes (not too long away I hope).

[eLhabib]

I guess you'll never be getting an HDTV then, sice tube TVs tend to implode rather than ex ;)

[lunar]

It did set on fire once, but was repaired :( I will encourage it to do the same again, then for "health and safety" reasons the wife will have to agree to get a new family TV :hyper It`s for the sake of the children.

I wonder how much difference response time makes on HDTVs when playing games. Anyone compared some? Nothing less than 37 inch 1080P with phantom class response will do the job here, but I guess these are pretty expensive atm. :)

[eLhabib]

You can get a very good 40 inch full 1080p TV with less than 5ms response for under 1000€, don't know about other currencies though...

[jmoid]

Interesting info in your post Gracer, thanks. I always assumed HDMI, being digital, was either "on or off" so cable quality could make no difference - it either works or it doesn`t. But maybe not so.
That was my understanding as well - with analogue cables there's a lot of scope for the cabling making subtle differences, but with digital it's either there or it isn't.


I`m currenly using an SDTV, but perhaps should invest in good RGB scart cables as I`m getting some interference on screen I think. Anyone know what sort of cables I should look for? Will go 1080P when this TV explodes (not too long away I hope).
Blaze RGB scarts are supposed to be good. Are you using RGB scart at the moment? Because any RGB scart will be an improvement over the standard PS3 composite cable.

As the the original post - I bought a Panasonic TX-32LXD85 recently and I'm delighted with it.

[rushin]

well after months of research i went with a low end sony in the end, purely because it was good for bluray - dont want to start a discussion on 5:4 pulldown and all that rubbish :)

but got a 40" kdl 3500 in the end, as the price was very good for a 1080p set, paid about £650 6months ago so probably less now. i was worried it was too big before i bought it, now i lust after a 46".. great tv though :)

and needless to say wipeout HD justifies the purchase

and expensive hdmi cables? i have to say thats a scam. mine cost £3.99 and absolutely perfect. also have a £5.99 hdmi -> dvi cable (10m) for connecting pc, again zero issues.

[Xavier]

Thanks for all the great responses!

My desires are about the same as Lance's -- things are cramped here in Japan and I have no need for the massive screens that a lot of people have. Pixel resolution, yes, but not big screens. I was looking at 23" screens, but could go up to about 32". My budget is maybe Y100,000 ($950/£600?). Living in a cramped apartment, I don't really have the space for a big CRT, though if I found one on the cheap...

A 5-ms response time is nothing to complain about. I had been worrying about something along the order of one frame (1/24 s). My reaction time is about 0.2 seconds and I'm sure there are plenty of maniacal teenagers who are much faster.

(Fun reaction-time-testing game here: http://www.exploratorium.edu/baseball/reactiontime.html Under about 0.25 s and you'll get a hit!)

Hadn't thought about the quality of the cables; that's good advice. Jmoid, I'd been looking at a similar Viera TV that might actually be the same one (but the Japanese version):
http://kakaku.com/spec/20413010860/

The other front-runners are this from Sony:

http://kakaku.com/spec/20416010894/

And this Sharp Aquos:

http://kakaku.com/item/20415010870/

Phillips TVs seem to be unknown here, and I haven't seen any Samsungs either, unless they sell under a different name.

Moving up to 37" means 1920x1080 would be nice for the future... I think I'm going to go to the electronics area in Akihabara and specifically ask for a TV that's ideal for game-playing. I never actually watch television; it's the missus who does that. So she doesn't care about response time or pixel counts at all!

[The Gracer]

Dont get the Sharp, they are flipping horrible TVs to install and set-up and they are overly complicated...

Response time is very important for gaming, you shouldnt overlook it. sure, 5ms is nothing, but 3ms is even less! Remember that little button response issue the PSP had?

Go for the Pana! TX-32LX80 LCDs are a little small though.

If you can afford the extra stretch, the 42PY80 plasmas and the higher models are great, but you will need to watch out for things like screen burn, and they are bigger and heavier than the 32. Hanging the panel on the wall saves space!

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As for cables, you will find a lot of the lower end cables either

A) Wont work properly with HDMI-based functions, or at all
B) Fail to deliver full 7.1 sound when run through an amplifier, sometimes only supporting stereo, or
C) Are subceptible to interference from other unshielded cables, unshielded speakers, etc
D) Cannot consistently support high-bandwidth content

For instance, with the newer Viera-Link Panasonics, there is a function that allows a download of the TV's settings to a DVD-Recorder. A poor cable will not support this function, but a Monster 500 series cable or similar/better will.

Bandwidth is very important with digital cables. IIRC a PS3 can output 8.2GBp/S of image and sound data at a given moment, so in order to achieve the full potential of the system, a sufficent cable is required.

[alterego]

Hi all.

My Equipment for WO HD is

TV LCD Samsung 6 series 40" HD Full and
TV LCD Samsung MW2032 20" Hd ready with HDMI input

Read You Soon
CdRom

[Darkdrium777]

Sharp:
Horrible TVs to install? Overly complex and hard to use?
I beg to differ.
Sharp LC32D64U (32'' 1080p, I believe it's one of the few on the market) The model number may differ in your country though (Japan), that is the model in North America. It's a very good TV, I have not been bothered by the delay when playing the PSP on it, and WipEout HD looks phenomenal on it as well. It's also very easy to use, to switch inputs you use a button on the top or on the remote (And frankly that's all you need to do once the TV is set-up), and easy to install (The TV stand has only four screws to put on. After that it can stand upright). It's also got a good number of inputs, which is great when you want options.

[The Gracer]

Each to their own then i guess! I find the menus on the Aquos LCDs totally un-user-friendly, and if i remember correctly you are unable to rename inputs to make it less confusing trying to remember what you plugged in where.

Im very picky. :P

We must get a different model down here in NZ, i sometimes feel like telling our customers they got ripped off.... :?

[Darkdrium777]

You are correct when you say that you cannot rename the inputs. But seriously, does that make the TV horrible?
Besides with the HDMI inputs (Which is what you will use in the future), devices are able to send info about who is connected to who, so the input my PS3 is plugged on is named 'PS3' when the PS3 is turned on. Doesn't work for analog though (Composite and Component), for obvious reasons.

[KIGO1987]

Im in the market for a new TV also. I have an exsisting 51cm 4:3 Ratio CRT TV. Whats the same size 16:9 ratio TV that could fit in to that kinda space? Also what brand is good at that size? And also that offer all of the all the high spec features of all the larger sized TVs? Like 100Hz and Full intergrated HD with alot of HDMI ports also.

Anybody can help me here? Thanks.

[The Gracer]

Darkdrium, i dont mean to dirt your TV, but from what ive experienced (I install anything from 5 to 8 tvs a day) the Sharp with which im familiar lacks some of the qualities that similar TVs have. As ive said, im very picky nowdays with my audio visual, i find it difficult to watch a DVD on a screen bigger than a 32 because i find myself picking out all the artifacting.

i think we will find that your market probably has a better model than ours. Sharp only have a couple here in NZ

I dont even HAVE a big TV, i have a 24" 1080p computer monitor with an HDMI....

[rdmx]

KIGO, you aren't going to find much in the way of 20 inch screens that have HDMI inputs and very high resolutions unless you look at computer monitors (and even then it's rare for them to possess a HDMI port).
Maybe it's time to look at a bigger size? 42" 1080p panasonic plasmas are about $2000 AUD I think (don't quote me).

[emwu23]

Hi all. Im using panasonic TX-32LZ85L ,full hd 100Hz qiuck time respons. Im satisfied enough.My room is to small for bigger one i wanted even to buy 26 but its better to have full hd.

[Darkdrium777]

Strange, the Sharp is one of the best I've seen here... Models are most definitely different, because watching upscaled DVDs with the PS3 on it looks pretty good (Although blu-Ray is better :P)

[KIGO1987]

KIGO, you aren't going to find much in the way of 20 inch screens that have HDMI inputs and very high resolutions unless you look at computer monitors (and even then it's rare for them to possess a HDMI port).
Maybe it's time to look at a bigger size? 42" 1080p panasonic plasmas are about $2000 AUD I think (don't quote me).

At least one person out there gave me an answer to my question, cheers.

Anyhow im not looking at a Plamsa screen. They are just **** for gaming altogether. Ive tried it before. LCDs are my pic, or if or when these friggin LED and Laser CRT TVs come out i would rather go for one of those. Since LED TV have greater illumination and less space, while the Laser CRT would have incrediable picture flow.

But hey thats bullshit. You cant get a small practical size screen with full HD, HDMI outputs and 100Hz. ****ing stupid ive got no room what soever to fit somthing no larger than a 38, or possibly a 40" buts that pushing the space boundery.

Well the global economy has gone to **** now, i guess the major producers will now opt for more practical TV sizes and bundles for the adjusting new market. Maybe earlier next year ill get a new tellie.

[Darkdrium777]

The Sharp I'm talking about is only 32'' and has 1080p/1080i/720p/576p/576i/480p/480i compatibility. This is one of the reason we got it. You could fit that, if you can buy it in Australia that is. ;) (Of course it's an LCD)

[Lance]

I'm reasonably sure that a 32 inch diagonal measurement screen in its case is not going to fit in my 20 inch wide space.

[Darkdrium777]

You can't get 1080p lower than that Sharp 32" for a TV. Computer monitors however can do 108op at 20", but they are not TVs, so you will need some box to switch from the composite, component or HDMI to DVI (If you don't want to plug-unplug everything everytime)
I was using the ViewSonic VX2035wm with the PS3 at one point, not sure it really did 1080p but I had the PS3 set at that resolution without any problems, and it was going through an HDMI to DVI cable. However the VX2035wm only has DVI and VGA inputs for video, and stereo jack for sound, so you can't plug in conventional composite (Red White and Yellow) or component (Red Blue Green White Red) without adaptors like the box I mentioned. You can get better 20" monitors with 1080p function and more inputs I am sure, but I don't know of any.

[rdmx]

1080p on such a small screen would be largely useless too, as you would not be able to spot the detail unless you were sitting as close as you would for a computer monitor.

(Re: Practical size) Australian cities aren't very built up - the suburbs are fairly close to the city - most houses can fit a large TV nowadays.

[Lance]

I would indeed be sitting that close. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I sit within 24 inches/61 cm of the television screen, often as close as 11 or 12 inches [likewise with my computer], hence my desire for high resolution. My current computer monitor is a so-called 20 inch CRT, actual screen size is 18 inch diagonal. If a television had the same dots per inch display that the monitor does; it would be adequate for my needs.

[Darkdrium777]

LCD monitors can have much higher resolutions than CRTs, the ViewSonic VX2035wm for example is 1680x1050 native, and supports 1920x1080. I know you can get 20'' with higher resolutions, so it should be no trouble if you want to buy one Lance ;) (Well apart from the money.)

[Lance]

My CRT seems to have as fine a dot pitch as any LCD television as I've looked at in the past couple of months. My antique computer video card [integrated] limits it to 1280 pixels per line, but I don't know what it's true potential is.

[Flashback Jack]

Mine is a 42" HP MediaSmart LCD TV. It allows me to stream my pr0n and music collection to it -- oh, and play Wipeout on it too.

- F

[The Gracer]

lol, pr0n and WipEout - what more could you want?! :D

[rdmx]

Free pizza everytime you boot up the game :+

[The Gracer]

lol, imagine the kind of person who would come out of that...

A sex addicted morbidly obese person with lightning fast reflexes...

That would be quite a disaster.

[Darkdrium777]

ROFL xD :g

[Dj_Breaker]

Alright, so im getting an HD TV next week, and i can't afford a whole lot.

My box TV is dieing fast, now down to about 3/4ths of its picture remaining.

So im forced to result to my little 10'' inch vacation TV for now until i get the HD.

I'm new to the world of HD, so what do brand/model should i get?

Max spending limit: $550, my mom is paying for half. (early x-mas gift.).

Possible complications:
Cable Service Provider: Verizon FIOS
Set Top Box: Standard, may have to get an HD box.

[eLhabib]

If you're looking for cheap but quality, small size HD TVs, older Samsung models are your best bet. Series 1 through 4 is quite cheap by now (current series is 7 or 8 ), and if you only want 22 inch or smaller, getting under 500$ shouldn't be a problem at all.

[KIGO1987]

lol, pr0n and WipEout - what more could you want?! :D

Pepsi. Or some Coke and Bourbon please:D


Free pizza everytime you boot up the game :+

Yes.


If you're looking for cheap but quality, small size HD TVs, older Samsung models are your best bet. Series 1 through 4 is quite cheap by now (current series is 7 or 8 ), and if you only want 22 inch or smaller, getting under 500$ shouldn't be a problem at all.

Seems like Samsung is the way to go. Cheers.

[Lance]

I got myself a Samsung 19 inch HD for Christmas; it has all the connections I could need [including PC for using it as a monitor, and RGB component, optical in and out of two types, SVHS, composite, HDMI, etc etc]. Hooked it up to my neighbor's X-box 360 and it looks fantastically good. Cost me 280 USD at a close-out. It fits right in the small space I needed for it to go and looks great with movies and tv as well as games.

[eLhabib]

Next step: PS3! ;)

[Darkdrium777]

See I told ya you could do it Lance! :lol

Your eyes will thank you for the move to HD ;)

[Xavier]

This is an old discussion, but I fnially got the monitor/TV I'd been wanting, and figured I'd post about it.

I bought a Mitsubishi MDT221WTF (gotta love that catalog number :) ), which is only 21" but has full HD and contains a built-in TV tuner. Not cheap -- mine was just over $500 -- but it should still be current for several years, and can handle all manner of game consoles in addition to television (which I never use, but She Who Must Be Obeyed does).

Here's a brief blurb on it: http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news_details.php?id=16899

I got some D5 cables to connect the PSP, and it works perfectly. PS2 input is similarly perfect. (Very few monitors can take PS2 input these days, supposedly.) Video output (both mirrored and as 2nd monitor) from my laptop: no problem. 1920x1080 is a *lot* of screen space!

Lance, this thing might be right up your alley. I'm sitting about three feet from the screen and things really look great. When the Mac is connected, the menus look really, really small, and right now I'm trying to set something up where it will automatically use font sizes that are about 1.5x as big as normal (18 point instead of 12/13) and icons that are similarly bigger than usual, but as a kind of kludge, I've got the Mac's external monitor setting at 860 x 540 pixels, so when output to the new screen, each pixel of input becomes 2 pixels onscreen, which looks surprisingly good.

KIGO, aren't you also looking for a full HD monitor that's not so immense? This might be what you want.

The only problem I'm having so far is that I have to manually switch the audio after switching the video output from "TV" to "Video 1" (which is where the PS2 is connected). I'm sure I'll get that sorted soon enough though. I'm really liking this thing. It's a quantum leap ahead of the little 13" TV I had before!

[KIGO1987]

Right ive got the cash now to possibly purchase a good sized LCD tv. But i went to JBHiFi and my god the image quality is shi tter than sh it for the 30-32'' inch sized that im looking at getting. Makes me want to keep my 51cm CRT. But im forced to get rid of it unfortunely thanks to Analogue signals are being phased out and are going to be overriddin by Digital TV signals in 2010 to 2012. So i have to buy something soon.

Now. Whats something, someone can highly recommend that is a good LCD to play Wipeout as well as watch TV.

What im looking for
Type: LCD
Size: 32inch MAX
Price: 600AUD to 1000AUD.

Image quality must be good with no lag!

[yeldar2097]

were the TV's you were looking at HD? cos if they were and the quality was **** it's usually to do with the source. very often the stuff they play through the models in the shops is **** quality and hardly ever does the TV justice. i thought the 'kuro' was a piece of **** till i saw it set up properly at someone's house cos the model in the shop was playing some grainy ass nonsense that looked like the wrong end of a hedghog.

as far as suggestions are concerned i have no idea but this might be useful if you haven't tried it http://www.google.com/products?q=32%22+lcd&price1=600&price2=1,000&scoring=pd

[Darkdrium777]

Sharp AQUOS LC32D64U. I can't recommend it enough :D (It's THE 32" LCD, one of the few if not the only that is 1080p)

[KIGO1987]

Thanks yeldar and D777 for the info. Ive got a few ideas now (thank you Rudd for the $950;))

Is this a good TV
http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/kogan-1080p-32-full-hd-lcd-tv-hd-tuner/

cause i might look at getting this one. Looks pretty good in the specs. And this isnt a shtty one. Its just cheap cause its built in China or Korea. So nothing is spared.

Also how much should i spend on a good HDMI cable for the PS3?

[Darkdrium777]

Looks good. Don't know about the brand though.

HDMI-> If you can order online, 10$ max. Shops rip you off at 60$, but if you have no choice... :|

[AG-wolf]

Sharp Aquos for TV, dont buy anything else.

[cnmth]

Panasonic th-42pz85 ! (got the 42" model)

I got this tv and im really pleased with it.

[KIGO1987]

Im still yet to upgrade to a decent tellie, but since the Australian dollar went to **** (thanks to the US ****ing up the world economy), electronics such as TV's and computers have gone up by an average in 20% here, kinda putting me off purchasing a new tellie. But i think my 51cm CRT from the 90s is approaching its end of days, plus analogue is slowly been phased out pretty quickly here in Aus, and my reception is getting shiitier by the week. Ive been told by a few dickheads that 32" cannot be viewed in Full HD due to the smaller screen size. But i dont trust a word those bastards sales people say, knowingly they want me to purchase a larger sized tv screen (i know since i use to work in sales).

I want to spend as less a possible on a TV since i know these days the average lifespan of a today built electronic item is complete ****ing bullshit.

Ive found a few goodies. Here they are;

KOGAN 32" LCD TV HD | $699 AUD (http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/kogan-hd-32-32-lcd-tv-HD-digital-tuner/)

KOGAN 32" LCD TV Full HD1080P | $799 AUD (http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/kogan-1080p-32-full-hd-lcd-tv-hd-tuner/)

Im looking for nothing bigger than a 32" LCD by the way, i have limited space.

What do you think guys, you reckon one of these would be a good investment????

[Darkdrium777]

The 1080p one, definitely.

[lunar]

The 1080P looks well-featured and a good buy. You can see the difference with 1080P v 720P on a 32 inch screen and on Wipeout HD or other 1080P sources. It makes a small but noticeable difference to graphics. On Blu-Rays not so much difference on that screen size, but if you don`t get 1080 you will spend years wondering how much better your life would have been with those extra pixels. ;)

I got an LG 32 5700, which is a similar 1080P and a very decent telly for the money. Wipeout rocks on it. With HD it`s possible you will be a faster player. The game is smoother, I got more FPS moving from a PAL set, and in the end you get a better sense and feeling of control, and I need every bit of control I can get.

[NightArh]

only full hd

[blackwiggle]

I've never heard of the KOGAN brand before so I can't comment on the quality.

But I would get the HD one as well.
One thing to watch out for is possible HDMI compatibility problems,this can be extremely frustrating ,you can search every AV forum on the planet and find people who have suffered this with components that won't work together via this connection type.

Another thing is the installed Digital tuner,will it work with AUS DTV transmissions?

I'll do a search for you and see what I can find out about this brand and if there are any issues with it .

So far this about KOGAN being called into the ACCC's offices for misleading advertising.
http://www.cnet.com.au/bad-boy-kogan-called-to-accc-s-office-339296129.htm

I"ve just been reading a whole heap of threads about KOGAN at the DTV forum http://www.dtvforum.info/

I'd avoid if I were you.

[KIGO1987]

pffft. Fukity fuk!

I was looking at there website. There isnt a phone number for there support section, fuk that seriously. God..... gonna have to wait some more now..... Im so playing at a disadvantage on my shiity SD 4:3 CRT tellie. Along with my fuking connection and those bastard Vista pads..... arhhh. Got to not break that controller either.

Why is the world so ****ed?!?

[ACE-FLO]

Dead Presidents Kigo... blame the dead presidents... while you're there, give a big FUK YOU to both Bush's and a joypad to Obama... trust me, its the right thing to do!

Oh, right - the TV thing. Get a Sony Bravia on finance, its the way forward for you buddy!

[KIGO1987]

Finance.... ahhh fuk:brickwall

I not a fan of pay stuff over the long run.

I rather pay cash full up front.

Bugger it, ill go to the shops now, to see what they offer.

Sony Bravia's are ****ing expensive though....

[KIGO1987]

Another Qtr has passed,

What a good 32" LCD now days, good for Wipeout and is good for watching tv with?

[IH8YOU]

How about a 42" Tube CRT Kigo? It only weights about 250-300 pounds. 480i Goodness. :nod

FYI - look into refresh / response times on whatever LCD you get - after moving from my LCD to my epic fail CRT - I still can't get over how much lag was induced on the LCD. I might do that "camera test" where you press the buttons while recording a video of your screen and controller - because I want to see how much of a difference there actually is.

[KIGO1987]

Most CRT have more smoother continuous picture flow than LCD, unless you get a good LCD, not a **** one.

I went with a mate a few hours ago. And actually bought a 32" HD LG LCD tv. Except it was my mate who bought it, not i. Im going to buy a Full HD one instead, just gonna wait just that little bit longer. But it was surely an entertaining experience today on the roads getting to places before they close down, lol, XD. My mates driving would be up there on some of the French TT and SL times, XD.

[amplificated]

I'd personally recommend a Sony or Samsung LCD if you can afford it, they're generally the best. If you're an Aussie, check out the DTV forums at http://www.dtvforum.info/ , there's usually a lot of information that's helpful about buying new TV's and other lounge room equipment.

[Darkdrium777]

I would still recommend the same, KIGO. Sharp LC32D64U, or one of the family if you want bigger (There's only bigger, it's the smallest.) Should be around 900-1000$ CAD if you can find a good deal (though I doubt they respect currency exchange rates, so it would probably be 1000$ AUD too.

[KIGO1987]

Thanks for the link amp, interesting.

Yeah DD, Im very impressed with the Sharp range, Aquos range is quite impressive picture, the LC32D64U looks exactly what i want to get for a 32" tv.

The Aussie dollar is storming north now.... finally! It should be surpassing the US dollar soon at this rate, so imports will be very cheap :rock

But in a few months two things are a definite, one, im going to upgrade from my utter cunty internet connection, something of 25mbps would be nice, two, a TV that will display Wipeout HD in its true colours. Full HD, and nothing lower than 100Hz.

My mate wont STFU about his new TV, so i might be upgrading sooner rather than later.:guitar

[Darkdrium777]

That Sharp Aquos isn't 100Hz though I think, only 60Hz.

[TheFrostE]

ive been an avid fan of Samsung for quite some time now, and if you have 1.5 grand to spend on a TV i would go grab one of the LED tvs , i love my 40" one. 1080p 120htz. ... and your talking the true colors of Wipeout HD ....no plasma, LCD or CRT will match this beasts 3,000,000:1 Mega Contrast. look into it man ;).

[KIGO1987]

LED are available in Australia now. Only in Sony Bravia and Samsung brands atm. 42" is $4500 AUD, and the 32" are $2300. ****ed if im spending that amount of money on a tv. Very impressive picture.

Max im going to spend on a good 32" Full HD tv at least 100Hz is $1200 or less. Which is possible, not at the moment, they are still hovering in $1400 at the cheapest retailers. Still a tad too expensive. But since it will be one of the most used appliances in the house, i want to make sure to get it right. Ive holded off even longer getting a good 32" Full HD tellie till about now, thanks to the massive drop in the Aussie dollar at the 2008/2009 turnover. But i should get something with more tech in it now.

[BulletWraith]

and down here at the low end of the spectrum,
I'm looking into getting a 1080p 24" LCD, they seem okay, it's just I'll probably be going flatting next year and get a Projector for movie's and a bit of gaming with friends so don't want to spend much on the LCD
I don't like TV(or don't think I should own one, tv makes people stupid), so I figured I'd just get an LCD, I currently have a crusty 19' LCD/TV/DVD thing I use for gaming/hooking my note & netbook up to that I want to pass on

so yeh many out their with 22-26" displays? care to give an opinion on what they are like to use/if they think they are big enough for gaming

I'm thinking about getting this one (http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/viewsonic-vx2433wm/4505-3174_7-33516455.html)
yeh it's a cnet link and yeh cnet are full of it/have no idea what they're doing but it links to other reviews :)


-zer:donutshen

[Lance]

"tv makes people stupid"

Nah. 'Stupid' people watch tv passively; 'smart' people watch tv actively.

[BulletWraith]

I meant in general as most people are susceptible, I know I am hehe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9P6pScVcBE&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div)

-zer:donut

[Darkdrium777]

A 1080p 24" TV AFAIK doesn't exist, you would have to use a computer monitor. The Sharp I keep mentioning is the smallest I've seen for Full HD.

But: I recommend checking out the ViewSonic. I have a 20" VX2035wm and though native res is 1680x1050, it fully supports 1920x1080 without cropping or re-sizing.

[KIGO1987]

Ive got my eyes on this Sharp LC32D77X now. Looks pretty good.
http://www.sharp.net.au/product-catalogue/products/LC32D77X/

Tad outta of the price range, but im very close of saying, **** it, and just buying it. The old CRT is on its last legs, plus Analogue signals are getting phased out in 2010 here in Aus anyway.

[z1r0rEi]

SHARP Aquos , is good, have 2 of them, 46“ & 37“ both 1080p

[yeldar2097]

Can I have one?

[z1r0rEi]

yes, u can yel, u can hav the 46“ m8, its not free, tho :)

[KIGO1987]

Can I have one?

Your from Surrey Yelder, there's probably hundreds of TVs like that out on the side of the road during spring cleaning.

[yeldar2097]

well my next-door-neighbour has a 42" in his bathroom if that counts?

you sure it's not free z1? i'll race you for it, you can have my...PS3 if you win :P

actually no, too risky :g

[z1r0rEi]

ok,then ,lets race:hyper, lol

[AG-wolf]

I still stand by my previous statement of the Sharp Aquos line of TVs; they have the least input lag of any manufacturer out there, and a few of their models actually have a video processing mode specifically designed to address input lag for gaming and reduce it even further;

I just ordered a 1080p 32" model for my dorm at college (mainly because my 42" at home is too big for the dorm room lol), and it has their Vyper Drive game mode; the model is "lc32e67u" and I paid $600 at http://www.6ave.com They're doing some site and database restructuring, so I have to wait a little while for it to arrive, but it's worth the wait.

[KIGO1987]

Ive have been also looking at a few other brands of TV too. But i am having an absolute bitch of a time getting all the specifications on the product. Ive looked at the Samsung LA32B550, but nowhere am im getting the Hz for it. Just says its 4 ms, is that a 50Hz or a 100Hz tv set? Im confused.

[eLhabib]

I can only highly recommend the new Sony Bravia line (W, Z and X models). Zero input lag. ZERO. And all picture enhancement features are defeatable, which is an option you don't get with many manufacturers.

[KIGO1987]

at what cost though? Bravia's cost a kidney where i am. I like them, but not really a good price.

[amplificated]

If it doesn't say anything regarding 100hz, it's best to assume that it is not supported - especially at that price.

If you want to get the most value for your money and be relatively happy with what you end up with, I suggest you get a list of TV's that are within your price range (and a couple a little above it) which interest you, and go check them out in person. See if there's anything above your price range that makes you say "ok I'll work a couple of extra shifts for that"; and if there isn't, just stick with a TV you are willing to pay less for.

For features/price, I think that Sharp which was linked to a page or so back looks alright, but it's always worth seeing the product in person before you jump for a purchase that's going to set you back that much money.

Also, be prepared to try and bargain with the retailers, see if you can get a good deal. You might be able to get a couple hundred $ off.

Just my advice...

[AG-wolf]

Back when I was still green to the whole HDTV thing, i had gotten a 42" Bravia; good picture but mine had bad input lag. It wasn't quite as drastic as the Samsung I had bought immediately before it, but it was still enough to screw me up when I played Sonic or Megaman- therefore, it was a no-go for me. I even turned game mode and all other picture enhancements off :/

Maybe they've since improved?

Kigo: only go for 50hz/60hz TVs... any of that 100/120 "smooth-motion" or whatever the f*** it is, it completely useless for games because of the lag it adds :/ It looks creepy on movies and TV shows too, I think :P

And always remember, buying online is consistently cheaper than in a store unless you plan on trying to haggle an in-store price down a bit. Ask them if they can go any lower, etc.

[eLhabib]

Maybe they've since improved?

Most definitely, yes. Even with full motionflow enabled, the input lag is only about 30ms (most Samsungs have over 60ms lag), and if I turn all the unnecessary features off, lag is below 1ms ('cos 1ms is the lowest I can measure, and it always shows up as zero).

[KIGO1987]

****, now im even more confused.

Thanks for the additional suggestions AG-Wolf and Habib,

So i should look for a Full HD, 50Hz TV instead ??? If i want a lagless experience?

[amplificated]

All modern LCD's sold in Australia are capable of 60hz and the lack of a region lock allows PS3 games to all have the same HD content no matter what country you bought the PS3 from FYI, it's only the sub-HD stuff that concerns 50/60hz and PAL/NTSC, etc..
But yeah, I don't think the motionflow tech is that necessary since it does induce a little input lag. That said, it's something that can be written on paper, but the difference is less apparent in observation.

Like I mentioned in the above post though, research and seeing things work in person is the best way to identify anything you don't like. Any comments on a forum are going to be based around a personal observation, and everyone is going to have a different one of those; while yours is the only one that counts in the end.

[Lance]

Plus one on that, amplificated. Well said.

[KIGO1987]

K, coming close to decision time,

A few last questions,

Samsung? or / Sharp?

Full HD? or / Standard HD?

50Hz? or / 100Hz+ ?

[blackwiggle]

Samsung over the Sharp ,it's no contest.

The price of full HD has dropped and most new sets are 1080p now,not that you will really notice it that much on a 32" screen, you might with Blueray discs.

You should notice the different between 50 & 100Hz even on the smaller size screen, so get 100Hz if you can.

Here is a shoot out between 3 32" screens , Panasonic -Sony - Samsung by Smarthouse in Australia.
http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Reviews/TVs_And_Large_Display/R5R7N5S4

You can pick these screens up for a lot less if you shop around.

Just google the particular brand & model number of the unit you are interested in with the word review typed in first,only take seriously the reviews from Audio/Video mags and Tech sites,not shops with purchasers reviews as they are seldom of any worth [nobody likes to admit the bought a lemon]

[lunar]

My opinion is that you can see the difference between 720P and 1080P on PS3 graphics on a 32 inch. It doesn`t matter for a lot of not full HD PS3 content like LBP, but on Wipeout and the PS3 menus you can see the difference. As a GT fan, Kigo, you are going to have to have 1080P above all else, imo. You will not be happy with less! ;) I don`t know about the 100HZ thing, I don`t see why it would improve games at all. It`s not going to cure framerate issues, I think.

for blu rays I think the overall quality of the TV`s picture matters at least as much as 720 v 1080. However you can get a little picture judder on some blu ray conversions and possibly 100HZ helps with this, however I would say that if PS3 gaming is your priority then 1080P is what you need. All imo and my observations, just to confuse you more.... :robot

[KIGO1987]

So i shouldnt be worried much about lag, with 100Hz tv with the PS3.

Funny you mentioned that BW, i looked and got the price down for the SAMSUNG LA32B650, nice picture, $1796 though. at JB i looked at.

Lunar i will sure be getting the extra pixel screen for sure, i will be on GT5 alot when i comes out:) So Full HD it will be.

What is the difference between the LA32A650 and the LA32B650 TVs?

[AG-wolf]

Samsung? or / Sharp?
Samsung has a slightly prettier picture, Sharp has less input lag (and if you get one of their TVs with "Vyper Drive Game Mode" it responds even faster than their regular TVs).. i'll link to my youtube video again of the Samsung I had bought which had terrible input lag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBolS3c1-Nk... if a tv hinders my ability to play Sonic, there's a problem lol. Sharp is actually one of the leading HDTV manufacturers out there, which is ironic because retailers don't seem to stock their TVs as much as other brands (around here anyway...). Sharp's picture quality is just behind Samsung's, almost to the point where the difference isn't even noticeable.. plus a Sharp will usually give you more color control options than a Samsung.


Full HD? or / Standard HD?
wtf? I don't understand the difference, but you want Full HD, 1920x1080p native resolution


50Hz? or / 100Hz+ ?
50/60hz. The 100/120hz bullshit is a gimmick; it's completely worthless for games and its effect on regular TV and movies only appeals to certain people anyway.


Your best bet? Drag your PS3/360/wii/console-of-choice into an electronics store with all the proper hookups (power cable, component/scart/hdmi cable, etc) and test TVs first hand.


Edit: 32 inches is tiny as hell, and paying $1700 for a 32 inch screen is uncalled for (unless that;s in australian, I know the exchange rate is kinda bad). You Should be able to get at least 40 or 42 inches for a fair price (Test in stores, buy online).
Samsung's website should tell you the difference between those two models, but im sure it's somethihg small. They;re both in the "6 Series" line it looks like.

[Lance]

~snip~The price of full HD has dropped and most new sets are 1080p now,not that you will really notice it that much on a 32" screen,~snip~

Depends on how close you sit to the screen. In my case, 2 feet or less [very nearsighted, uncorrected].

[abukii]

Depends on how close you sit to the screen. In my case, 2 feet or less [very nearsighted, uncorrected].

Perhaps this will help.
http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html

[blackwiggle]

These might be more appropriate ,not very fashionable mind you, but if they do the job.http://www.designnotes.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/VTMG8.jpg

[Lance]

Doesn't look like there are any lenses to help one focus on the screen. Usually it is most desirable to have eyes at infinity focus for the least eyestrain. This would be, for people with typical un****edup eyesight, many feet away, perhaps fifty feet and more. [for my nearsighted eyes, which are very elongated front to back, 11 inches is infinity focus. Beyond that is infinity plus, as images become more and more out of focus as the objects are farther away.] Watching a movie in a theater would usually have one's eyes at infinity focus. In the case of that screen on the personal video display, a magnifying lens would be needed for each eye to allow the relaxed long focus.

[abukii]

Well, I dont know how (considering the amount of time I spend in front of a monitor/ HD) I have 20/20 vision...I guess I is lucky....:P

[Lance]

I had 20/20 vision up till age seven; at that time, I began to have trouble reading what was on the schoolroom chalkboards. Apparently I read so much and so close to my eyes that, as I grew, my eyes adjusted to the constant close-up work by growing longer to make it easier to focus close. Just my theory.

But anyway, for non-personal tv, six feet [or a bit less than 2 meters, for the Système Internationale inclined] would be reasonably unlikely to cause gradually increasing near-sightedness amongst the still growing, so even less should be okay for somebody who is already adult size, though it might tend to induce eye fatigue during long viewing periods. Such as playing WipEout for hours and hours. :D

So I'd recommend a 32 inch widescreen as a minimum for the non-nearsighted, just so you could sit back well away from it and still have the pleasure of the image covering a wide field of view, and the greater immersion in the game that gives. After that it's just figuring out which big screen has the least lag, which other people here know a lot more about than I do. :eek

[As Heaven Is Wide]

If it's of any help, this is one of the few tv review sites I know of that include input lag in their reviews.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/