Moa Therma White Challenge

[RingoSpoon]

This challenge comes in two parts and is for both newbies and experts, split into the lowest and fastest classes. Please feel free to enter both challenges :)

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Experts

Phantom Class - Play Time Trial / Speed Lap to get a lap time under 23 seconds.

Beginners

Venom Class - Play Time Trial / Speed Lap to get a lap time under 36 seconds.



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Please also feel free to discuss strategies, in particular how you are using the mag-strip(s) and where you are hitting the turbo :)

If you have a new record - please post a link to the ghost! :)

Good Luck :)

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Leaderboards - 28th Dec 2007

Phantom

1. 0:22:31 - DJManiac- Piranha - Download Ghost (http://savefile.com/projects/808584289)
2. 0:22:72 - Asayyeah - Piranha
3. 0:22:73 - Flashback Jack- AG-SYS - Download Ghost (http://rapidshare.com/files/78357529/FLA-Moa-W-Phantom-Speed_Lap-2273.zip)
4. 0:22.90 - Mu5 - Piranha - Download Ghost (http://radikal9.t35.com/ghosts/mu5_Phantom_MoaThermaWhite_Piranha_0_22_90.zip)
5. 0:22:91 - phl0w - Piranha
6. 0:22:92 - StarDragon88 - Piranha
7. 0:23:34 - Stin - Feisar
8. 0:23:34 - Alterego - Piranha
9. 0:23:35 - Livitarium - Piranha
10. 0:23:52 - G'Kyl - Assegai
11. 0:23:70 - Chrono - Piranha
12. 0:24:28 - Neverdown - Piranha

Venom

1. 0:34.12 - DJManiac - Piranha - Download Ghost (http://savefile.com/projects/808584289)
2. 0:34.18 - Silent - Piranha
3. 0:35.22 - StarDragon88 - Piranha
4. 0:35.44 - G'Kyl - Piranha
5. 0:35.49 - phl0w- Piranha
6. 0:35.62 - Flashback Jack - AG-SYS
7. 0:35.62 - Chrono - Piranha
8. 0:35.72 - Alterego - Piranha
9. 0:35.88 - Mu5 - Piranha
10. 0:35.90 - Flashback Jack - AG-SYS
11. 0:36.22 - Chrono - Piranha

[Chrono]

OK still need a lot of work on these times, but here are my initial ones. Gonna work on them later on the bus...for they will come down

Venom - 36.22- Piranha UPDATED
Phantom- 24.99- Piranha


Phantom is still way fast for me, but with some practice that time will come down, cause I screwed up alot.

[alterego]

Hi All.

Moa Therma W

piranha

Venom 35.72

Phantom 23.34

...for now...;)

Read You Soon
CdRom

[RingoSpoon]

Nice times :)

Where are you chaps hitting the boost? At the end of the second mag strip section or on the last bend? :)

The venom challenge should be pretty easy, however the phantom challenge is a wee bit more difficult :)

[alterego]

Hi RingoSpoon (Mu5?), hi all.


Nice times :)

Where are you chaps hitting the boost? At the end of the second mag strip section or on the last bend? :)

The venom challenge should be pretty easy, however the phantom challenge is a wee bit more difficult :)


Totally in agreement with your second statement..... ;)

about turbo strategy......i'm pretty sure it's possible go under 35..... hope.... for Asa or Mad for sure, for me....mmmmh...maybe ah ah ah :D

Start with previous turbo and stay as close as possible in the first chicane before the first MS (Mag Strip).
Pass over all the SP and when i'm straight on the line of view through the bends before the second MS shoot my turbo.
in the last left bend i pass over the first SP and Sideshift to the left, little fly and BR and.....whooosh...arrive! :D

I think is possible a little flight before the second MS and I hope to make a little dear BR ;) to go under 35....

Read You Soon
CdRom

[RingoSpoon]

I have been using the turbo just before the end of the 2nd mag strip - I think where you hit it relates to how fast you can take that last nasty corner. Good shout on the sideshift left into it - when it works, it works a treat but it is tricky :)

A BR before the 2nd mag strip? Good luck bro :):)

[stin]

I have not tried Venom yet but I did play Phantom level.

23.34, Feiser ;) Phantom

stevie:):

[RingoSpoon]

Nice Feisar time Stevie :) The current record on Venom is 35.92 by AlterEgo in a Piranha. :)

Edit : YEEEEESSSSSSS!!! I done it! :beer

Finally done the phantom challenge (4am) - I got a 22.90 (Perfect Lap with 7 boost pads) in the Piranha :rock

Edit : Current Leaderboard

Phantom

1. 0:22.90 - Mu5 - Piranha - Download Ghost (http://radikal9.t35.com/ghosts/mu5_Phantom_MoaThermaWhite_Piranha_0_22_90.zip)
2. 0:23:13 - DJManiac - Piranha
3. 0:23:21 - phl0w - Piranha
4. 0:23:34 - Stin - Feisar
4. 0:23:34 - Alterego - Piranha
5. 0:23:35 - Livitarium - Piranha
6. 0:23:70 - Chrono - Piranha

Venom

1. 0:35.62 - Chrono - Piranha
2. 0:35.72 - Alterego - Piranha
3. 0:35.88 - Mu5 - Piranha
4. 0:36.22 - Chrono - Piranha

[phl0w]

Uhm, I think you mistyped those times after yours. They should read 23:13 and so on...

Btw, here's mine so far:
Moa Therma White - Phantom
23:21 Piranha (no PL, no BR, 6 Turbos)

[Chrono]

I've got my time down to 23.70 on phantom

EDIT:My venom time is 35.62

[G'Kyl]

Well... here's me first pitiful attempt in this challenge. :) I can probably improve on Phantom (no PL there yet), but: How the hell do you BR+turbo before the finish line in Venom? Most times I try, my nose points into the sky, hence no or a useless turbo or even a being set back somewhere before the chicane. And does the short boost you get before the finish line really make up for your air time in Phantom?

Venom: 35.93 Piranha
Phantom: 23.52 Assegai

[RingoSpoon]

Ive no idea about using a BR on venom bro - I never attempt one. I would agree and say one would be pointless I think in Phantom. Any air time is a killer :)

Here are the updated times


Phantom


1. 0:22:73 - Flashback Jack- AG-SYS - Download Ghost (http://rapidshare.com/files/78357529/FLA-Moa-W-Phantom-Speed_Lap-2273.zip)
2. 0:22:81 - Asayyeah - AG-SYS Download Ghost (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/user_files.php?user_id=585)
3. 0:22.90 - Mu5 - Piranha - Download Ghost (http://radikal9.t35.com/ghosts/mu5_Phantom_MoaThermaWhite_Piranha_0_22_90.zip)
4. 0:22:91 - phl0w - Piranha
5. 0:23:31 - StarDragon88 - EGX
6. 0:23:34 - Stin - Feisar
7. 0:23:13 - DJManiac - Piranha
8. 0:23:34 - Alterego - Piranha
9. 0:23:35 - Livitarium - Piranha
10. 0:23:52 - G'Kyl - Assegai
11. 0:23:70 - Chrono - Piranha
12. 0:24:28 - Neverdown - Piranha

Venom

1. 0:35.49 - phl0w- Piranha
2. 0:35.57 - StarDragon88 - Piranha
3. 0:35.62 - Flashback Jack - AG-SYS
3. 0:35.62 - Chrono - Piranha
4. 0:35.72 - Alterego - Piranha
5. 0:35.88 - Mu5 - Piranha
6. 0:35.90 - Flashback Jack - AG-SYS
7. 0:35.93 - G'Kyl - Piranha
8. 0:36.22 - Chrono - Piranha

[Flashback Jack]

Count me in on this challenge (as soon as I get to my PSP, that is). It's time to put my beloved AGSYS to the test to see just how well-balanced these ships are. Currently at 35.90 (Venom).

- F

[Neverdown]

I'm in. Let me download this ghost.

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Oops, semi-bump.
So, I downloaded Mu5's demo. How the hell can he go that fast right from the start? Is it because he already has speed from last round? My best time is 24.28 s.

[Lion]

most of the best single laps will effectively have 2 turbos used. one from the preceding lap, used just before the start/finish line. the other used elsewhere on the lap where it will do the most good.

[phl0w]

Challenge completed:
Phantom 22'91
Venom 35'49
Piranha - what else?

[Flashback Jack]

One record falls, then another:

35.62 Venom
22.83 Phantom

AG Systems, of course.

My phantom lap wasn't a perfect one, and I missed at least two boost pads (one of them on purpose ;) ). Also ground off the side of my ship about twenty feet from the finish line -- very tight lines overall though. That number nine handling rating comes in handy on phantom.

EDIT: Neverdown and others, I'll upload the ghost tomorrow. Currently at work.

- F

[Neverdown]

Could you upload the ghost Jack?

[RingoSpoon]

Great racing chaps :clap

phl0w can you upload your venom ghost as well bro? :)

cheers :beer

[phl0w]

How? There's so many SAVEDATA onmy stick I don't know which is which ^^
Nevermind, got it: http://rapidshare.de/files/38079537/SAVEDATA.zip.html (don't know, which is Phantom and which is Venom though)

[stin]

I played few more laps before my head starting to get sore.

23.11 Feiser

stevie:)

[Flashback Jack]

Moa/Phantom/Speed Lap/22.83/AG Systems:

http://rapidshare.com/files/77648283/FBJ-2283-Moa-Phantom-Speed-Lap.zip

Not near a wireless access point right now, so I can't sync the stat to wipeout-game.com.

- F

[Stardragon88]

Howdy, think I've seen some of you in random races online

Anyway, for Moa Therma,

Venom - Piranha - 35.22*

Phantom - Piranha* - 22.92*

I can't login to the site to sync my data as I keep getting a "Session expired. Please login again." error. If anyone knows how to fix this problem your help would be greatly appreciated. :)

*Venom time updated, Phantom I still need to work on. It's a lot harder to correct my line when I'm going that fast ><

[Asayyeah]

Cool challenge from the lowest to the fastest speed class on the easiest track of Pulse : you can count me in at least for phantom :)

22.81 Ag Sys Ghost (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/user_files.php?user_id=585)
22.84 with Qirex

i shall upload the ghost tomorrow, and try that venom one

edited today : Don't be surprised to see strange initial for me( only if you got sdviewer or other program to let you know the complete infos of the ghost like initial ( 3 letters tag), ship, speed class, time and date.)
i ll explain more on why it's RRA and not AZA when i ll finish to check the Pulse forum ( holly **** i got 2 pages containing thread with unread posts :sonar)

[RingoSpoon]

Sweet mate congrats on that great lap :clap I am glad your winter holidays have now started - I look forward to battling your ghost :)

RRA? Whats all that about then? :)

[Flashback Jack]

RRA? Whats all that about then? :)

He mentioned what it's all about in another thread. Something about his profile putting up corrupted race times on the leaderboards, so he needed to temporarily borrow someone else's profile. I believe he's using Rapier Racer's.

Anyhow, another volley from me:

22.73/Phantom/Speed Lap/AG Systems

Download Ghost (http://rapidshare.com/files/78357529/FLA-Moa-W-Phantom-Speed_Lap-2273.zip)

- F

[Asayyeah]

impressive Jack :clap , don't you mind if you can make an analysis of your lap ? that should be very instructive for everyone

[Flashback Jack]

don't you mind if you can make an analysis of your lap ? that should be very instructive for everyone

Absolutely, AZA:

Boost from the right side of the track about four ship lengths before the start/finish line. For best results, it is imperative that you carry a ruler-straight line into the left bend -- do not carve a question mark line around first left of the curve.

Immediately sideshift around the chicane, barely touching the two apexes of the curve. Again, keep your line perfectly straight heading for and crossing the first right boost pad. Gradually let your ship wander out to the left side of the track and take the left boost pad. After hitting the pad, let the speed of your ship top out and fall very slightly, then fire your turbo. Pitch down for as long as you possibly can after this.

Blaze hard around the loop and do not hit the next single boost pad in the middle of the magstrip. This the only boost pad you should purposely miss. I believe your top speed would be compromised if you actually took that speed pad -- that's how fast you should be going at this point.

Take the following two speed pads. When you enter the right curve, stay just inside the crest of the track (on the right side of the of the center line) for optimal speed. Side shift around the curve, staying very close to the apex.

Hit the speed pad and immediately navigate your ship inside the crest (center line) of the next left turn. Keep your line extremely tight.

Again, the right turn leading to the chicane onto the wavy magstrip should be kept very tight. I found that you can actually gain a few ship lengths if you sideshift around this turn.

Hit the right speedpad on the magstrip and pitch down until just before the final s-turn.

The s-turn is very tricky. The key is not to wander out too far left in anticipation, but to stay very close to the right side of the track just inside the crest. You'll find that if you sideshift into the turn earlier than one would expect, your exit speed toward the finish will be high.

Hit the boost pad and turn left. Hit the final boost pad and pitch down until you cross the finish line.

- F

[Asayyeah]

Thx for those details, i am amazed by your turbo location, i am gonna try this soon.
I have a complete different location for it, i boost on the finish at the last curve. My ghost has been done like that with a br before the finish line.

2 different view for a pretty close result : SL you make us happy with competing

[Flashback Jack]

Yeah, the place I boost is the only location where I could maximize every bit of the turbo. Boosting anywhere else, I find I have to scrub off too much speed, so it ends up not used as effectively as it could be.

Loving Pulse so far. The balance on the ship capabilities is amazing.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2175/2129739400_8d4cbfacf9.jpg?v=0

- F

[Stardragon88]

Bah I still can't login to the site to upload my times. Couple of people I know seem to have the same problem.

Anyway, for Venom I'm at 35.22 (Piranha). Gonna have to try Boosting in a different section for Phantom, been using it at the wavy mag-strip section and apparently the mag-strip slows you down (?)

[RingoSpoon]

Wow nice Venom time bro!! :) Can you upload the ghost?

At Phantom I use the boost just before the end of the 2nd Mag strip section, to power me through the last s-bend. :)

Nice work on that walkthrough Jack :) I agree with Asa...I cant beleive you hit the boost at that point either :)

Updated Results...

Phantom

1. 0:22:73 - Flashback Jack- AG-SYS - Download Ghost (http://rapidshare.com/files/78357529/FLA-Moa-W-Phantom-Speed_Lap-2273.zip)
2. 0:22:81 - Asayyeah - AG-SYS Download Ghost (http://www.wipeoutzone.com/user_files.php?user_id=585)
3. 0:22.90 - Mu5 - Piranha - Download Ghost (http://radikal9.t35.com/ghosts/mu5_Phantom_MoaThermaWhite_Piranha_0_22_90.zip)
4. 0:22:91 - phl0w - Piranha
5. 0:23:31 - StarDragon88 - EGX
6. 0:23:34 - Stin - Feisar
7. 0:23:13 - DJManiac - Piranha
8. 0:23:34 - Alterego - Piranha
9. 0:23:35 - Livitarium - Piranha
10. 0:23:52 - G'Kyl - Assegai
11. 0:23:70 - Chrono - Piranha
12. 0:24:28 - Neverdown - Piranha

Venom

1. 0:35.22 - StarDragon88 - Piranha
2. 0:35.49 - phl0w- Piranha
3. 0:35.62 - Flashback Jack - AG-SYS
3. 0:35.62 - Chrono - Piranha
4. 0:35.72 - Alterego - Piranha
5. 0:35.88 - Mu5 - Piranha
6. 0:35.90 - Flashback Jack - AG-SYS
7. 0:35.93 - G'Kyl - Piranha
8. 0:36.22 - Chrono - Piranha

[Stardragon88]

http://www.wipeoutzone.com/user_files.php?user_id=1356

I hope I did it right. I'm not used to fiddling around with my PSP files, but from comparing the timestamp and contents this should be it.

*Update - Was able to lower my Venom time to 34.53, due to a BR at the end of the last bend. I've updated the ghost file as well.

Still think it can go lower though, I was trailing my ghost the whole time till the BR.

[DjManiac21]

I took my venom record to 34.12, trying to beat lord's ridiculous time with his cracked feisar.

Anyways, on topic now, phantom is 22.75, almost there :rock

Will keep on racing, and post proff of this before I hit the sack.

Laterz!

[Flashback Jack]

Two hundredths. Awfully close. Might force me back to the track to protect my precious record. :)

In related news, your Talon White phantom lap is ridiculous. I'm quite in awe, actually.

- F

[G'Kyl]

I still don't get the BR, but here's a tiny update of my Venom time: 35.44. 34.12... DjManiac, you're crazy! :) Amazing record, though!

EDIT

Venom still at 35.44 (Piranha)
Phantom: 23.13 (Assegai)

[Stardragon88]

Wow 34.12, I'm gonna have to try and top that ;)

Anyway about the BR, I try to enter the last inclined bend on the right side of the track, keeping my line on the inside of the curve. Then I hit the speed pad before crossing over near the end and exiting that section on the left side (outer side) of the curve.

I find the rapid change in elevation from incline to horizontal means you can get some air if you have sufficient speed (the speed pad will more than suffice). The hard part is not ramming into the invisible wall on the left side of the track. :o

[Silent]

Hi everyone =)

Starting on this challenge with a little 35.37, after two 7-laps sessions.
Haven't got phantom yet, two busy at wow now ; suxx =o

Update : Finnaly in 34.85 (thanks StarDragon88 ghost^^)

[Flashback Jack]

Checking the record tables, looks like Mr. DJ beat my Phantom record by a healthy four tenths of a second. I'm thinking he managed to sqeeze in a barrel roll before the finish.

Fill us in DJ, and post yer ghost.

P.S. - Perhaps you'll all enjoy taking a crack at my most prized possession yet? My Phantom Tech de Ra White record of 21.19. It'll be extremely tough to come close to the record unless you find the secret to navigating the first chicane after the start/finish. Trust me, it's rather unorthodox. :)

- F

[DjManiac21]

You beat me on posting,

I was actually finishing this post when the site went down, now that it's back, here it is:

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You are gonna hate me, I managed to beat the phantom time today, on my way back from work, on the train :P

22.31 on Phantom :rock

Here are the ghosts:

http://www.savefile.com/projects/808584289 (http://savefile.com/projects/808584289)

I'll have some rest now ;)

[Asayyeah]

glurps 22.31 !

[Flashback Jack]

You are gonna hate me, I managed to beat the phantom time today, on my way back from work, on the train :P

No worries, a bunch of the existing phantom records I blew away while taking the subway to the suburbs up here in Toronto m'self. The crowd is great for distracting you so your subconscious takes over. :)

Barrel roll before the start/finish I presume?

I hope to equal or better the record soon. That and your Talon White lap. Heh.

- F

[DjManiac21]

No BRs on these times, I don't really think they will make a difference anyways since we are talking about the last stretch where there is actually a speed pad.

Just worked my racing line enough to steer the less possible at the moment losing the least speed.

After the long mag strip I was able to pitch up into the right turn and went over the turn after hitting the speed pad, shaving some miliseconds off my previous .40 something record...

I love racing Venom TTs since they are so technical, but on Phantom every little detail can make even a greater difference.

Now the total time trial time is also quite good, perfect laps hitting all speed pads taking it to, let me see,
1.58.30.

I'm happy with this so far, until it gets beaten that is :mr-t

There's always room for improvement ;)

[Silent]

Update : 0.34.47 and 1.48.56 in TT race.

Someone has got a race trial time in venom, for compare ?

[phl0w]

Amazing times so far. I thought the challenge was just to get under 23' on Phantom and sub 36' on Venom. Seeing that it's become a BL Challenge I think I give the tracks another try.

Ringo: What with the thread's getting longer and all, could you please edit your initial post to reflect the records?

[RingoSpoon]

No worries mate - the updated leaderboard is now on the first post of this thread.

Currently after 15 days only 5 pilots have completed the Phantom Challenge :)

That 22.31 will take some beating - respect bro! :)




Here are the ghosts:

http://www.savefile.com/projects/808584289 (http://savefile.com/projects/808584289)



DJmaniac - Can you fix your ghosts mate? It looks like both files are the same phantom ghost.

[Stardragon88]

22.92 for Phantom, Piranha. Still needs alot of work I reckon.

Been focusing my energies lately on trying to top Asayyeah's Moa Therma White Zone record ;) Currently at 63 zones and 110k+ odd points.

[Asayyeah]

Wow Stardragon : you start to worrie me on zone grrrrr ;)

Back on topic , after spending attempts with AG trying to beat mister Flashback, i stayed at 22.82 ( 0.01 from my PB and still at 0.1 from Jack) , so i changed for piranha and get 22.72 quite far from master DJM :beer ( one more mojitos :D)

[Hyper Shadow]

I'm getting annoyed at the Venom challenge now.

I've attempted it a few times now, perfect laps, yet still only clocking a 37. Where do I find over a second a lap from?

[DjManiac21]

Wow, we had some serious business yesterday here at home with Mad and Chrono online :P

We met asa, delstepho, supersox and forgive me if I forget names, at some points things got really dizzy thanks to my wife's mojitos :beer (as well as those 657 beer cans we killed between the three of us)

Anyways, I fixed the ghosts, they have the same filesize but they are indeed different rars, you can find them here:

http://savefile.com/projects/808584289

Good weekend everyone! :rock

[RingoSpoon]

Nice one bro - Im sure a few people will be wanting to have a look at that Venom Ghost :)


I'm getting annoyed at the Venom challenge now.

I've attempted it a few times now, perfect laps, yet still only clocking a 37. Where do I find over a second a lap from?

Are you using a turbo just before the start of the lap? How many speed boosts are you hitting? What ship / view are you using?

[Silent]

Nice one bro - Im sure a few people will be wanting to have a look at that Venom Ghost


Yeah and I must thank you for it, DJmaniac !

I'm now in 34.18 with your ghost^^

[Hyper Shadow]

I use a turbo from the end of the last lap, I'm Using an AG Sys and I'm hitting pretty much all of the speed boosts.

I'm having a look at DJ's ghost, but I lose it about halfway round...

[Silent]

AG systems is, in low speed, slower than Piranha and isn't easier to control.
You must take all the bp's, some of them, like the one in a turn at the middle of the track and the one before the last in a turn too (you should not take the last) must be take with a sideshift for more speed.
Then the trajectory with all the bps is simple^^ ; the difficulty is on the last bp you take (so the one before the last) : you must go a bit at left at the moment you take the bp for jump above the barrier on left side and BR very fast.

Without the BR you can go at the best in 35 - 35.20 I think. Then with the BR... have to beat DJmaniac^^