Online dying

[Racingfan]

in less than a month theres barely anyone playing anymore, at the moment there is only one lobby in the EU region, and that is the only region that has people playing.

how come only a very few plays the online? is it because of plus? or is it because people don't care anymore?

[Knux_Chaotix]

Maybe Im just on at the right times, but there has never been a day when I havnt seen at least 5 - 6 lobbies. Even right now.

Need to remember not everyone is as dedicated to the series as people on this forum, which is a real shame. And Im sure online will be more hectic at certain times of the day and over the weekend. I think it just depends on when you go on. Either that or people are attempting the Campaigns etc. Also, games like Crash have come out recently, so people might be playing other things.

[blackwiggle]

Basically those that have played Wipeout before have already played to death the titles in the Omega Pack.....simple....nothing NEW, basically NO Interest.
We already know the NONE event of SONY USA promoting the game.

I'm suffering bad headaches from my skull fracture from several months ago, so I really can't play anything that has fast graphics, and I don't think I've even fired up my PS4 for nearly a week or more.

Sad, but true....lack of promotion, Summertime in Europe [who want's to be inside when the weather is fine?]....Tour De France...Wimbledon....all happening at the same time.

Give it a couple of weeks, see what happens :P

[BlackReign]

I'm suffering bad headaches from my skull fracture from several months ago, so I really can't play anything that has fast graphics, and I don't think I've even fired up my PS4 for nearly a week or more.:P

I remember you from PS3. Get well. That sounds like a rough condition to deal with. Hope it's healing well.

When it comes to online Play...
I haven't really noticed a lack of lobbies except late at night. I'm in the Mid-west US and don't usually see many EU lobbies after about 9-10pm my time. I know it's because most people are sleeping in the EU region. But even then I don't see many US lobbies around the same time. There might be a couple of Flash lobbies but that's about it. It'd be cool if more US players had the game (and were somewhat good at it). Also yesterday was a holiday so there might have been less people in the US on than normal. I barely played yesterday because of the holiday.

If I play earlier in the evening (4-8pm my time) there are usually a lot of EU lobbies and some US lobbies. On the weekends there seem to be a lot of people on for me throughout the day and more people on than normal going into the later hours.

[OBH]

I can only speak for myself, but last time i played WO all I did was play multiplayer. It's been nice change for me personally playing other game modes.

I've never looked, but it does it say anywhere how many people are online? Not neccessarily playing multiplayer?

[BlackReign]

I've never looked, but it does it say anywhere how many people are online? Not neccessarily playing multiplayer?

There isn't anything that shows this in the game (that I'm aware of). It'd be cool if there was though.

[mannjon]

When it comes to online Play...
I haven't really noticed a lack of lobbies except late at night. I'm in the Mid-west US and don't usually see many EU lobbies after about 9-10pm my time. I know it's because most people are sleeping in the EU region. But even then I don't see many US lobbies around the same time. There might be a couple of Flash lobbies but that's about it. It'd be cool if more US players had the game (and were somewhat good at it). Also yesterday was a holiday so there might have been less people in the US on than normal. I barely played yesterday because of the holiday.

Same time zone. BAM! Noticed the same thing about the online peaks. I did take the weekend off to platinum some older games. I spent some time doing SL and TT some, but not much online play. I notice you on a lot too around the same times though usually. KronicReaper and FullMoctlCam also typically race some during the same times (I think they are both Eastern time) and are both pretty good (but out of practice a little from HD days). Add me if you want some good competition: mannjon

I think some of the lack of online play deals with the collective "us" that have all played before. New pilots probably got turned away from it at launch because of all the good pilots everywhere. If I do find a lobby, I usually empty it after a few races. One thing that would seriously help, is to be able to add friends from the "players met" list, which has already been pointed out. Finding people that are at your skill level is crucial to staying interested, and you can't do that as easily without being able to easily add pilots around your skill. I reach out when I can, but I've noticed that I don't get many friend requests answered. In HD it was easy.

I also think that a lot of pilots still play HD on the PS3. Ever look at how many casuals are currently reading the boards for each game? IT typically looks like this:

Omega collection (7 viewing)
2048 (10 viewing)
HD (54 viewing)

This leads me to believe that a lot of people just simply don't have it on the PS4. We might see a surge if prices on the hardware come down to sub 200.

[Amaroq Dricaldari]

I'm suffering bad headaches from my skull fracture from several months ago, so I really can't play anything that has fast graphics, and I don't think I've even fired up my PS4 for nearly a week or more.
Jeeze, I had no idea. I'm really sorry to hear that, man.

[OBH]

Had my first few games online last night. Didn't recognise a single player. Won by over 30 seconds, and someone thought it was funny to go backwards on the last lap.

Not the most thrilling of races I've had to pleasure to be involved in :D

[Sausehuhn]

I imagine PS+ also being a reason, yes. Especially for those who still own a PS3 and WOHD, there’s really no great incentive to „upgrade“ to PS4 for WOHD alone. PS3 online play still doesn’t cost anything after all. With WOOC being another re-release there’s probably also a big discrepancy in skill levels: Veteran players know the tracks in and out and new players are easily put off by losing every race by a massive distance – which is somewhat understandable. Last time I played WOHD (PS3) I was so far behind I lost every race and I was playing that game for quite some time in the past.

For the casual player WO is just a though game to master, especially online. That being said, I don’t know how good or bad the situation is right now as I did not play WOOC online yet – my PS+ order just shipped today. See you on the track someday :)

[mannjon]

One thing I have noticed is that the people that jumped ship from HD on the PS3 is that they are regular racers. There are far too few, but I can pretty much count on racing with the same 4 people at least once a night.

Still though I think PS+ is ruining a lot of online games. I don't know how much additional money Sony thinks is worth losing out on customers. Of course now even nintendo has pay to play.

[BlackReign]

Same time zone. BAM! Noticed the same thing about the online peaks. I did take the weekend off to platinum some older games. I spent some time doing SL and TT some, but not much online play. I notice you on a lot too around the same times though usually. KronicReaper and FullMoctlCam also typically race some during the same times (I think they are both Eastern time) and are both pretty good (but out of practice a little from HD days). Add me if you want some good competition: mannjon

I think some of the lack of online play deals with the collective "us" that have all played before. New pilots probably got turned away from it at launch because of all the good pilots everywhere. If I do find a lobby, I usually empty it after a few races. One thing that would seriously help, is to be able to add friends from the "players met" list, which has already been pointed out. Finding people that are at your skill level is crucial to staying interested, and you can't do that as easily without being able to easily add pilots around your skill. I reach out when I can, but I've noticed that I don't get many friend requests answered. In HD it was easy.

I also think that a lot of pilots still play HD on the PS3. Ever look at how many casuals are currently reading the boards for each game? IT typically looks like this:

Omega collection (7 viewing)
2048 (10 viewing)
HD (54 viewing)

This leads me to believe that a lot of people just simply don't have it on the PS4. We might see a surge if prices on the hardware come down to sub 200.

Hey there. I've played with you a couple of times. I'll add you. I played with KronicReaper and FullMoctlCam a few times in Omega too but they tend to not stick around long. I'm noticing in US lobbies at least, there's a bit of an aversion toward Rapier and Phantom and A/A+ in 2048. I prefer playing on these speeds but I've been hard pressed to find players in the US good enough to play higher than Flash late at night. Most of the time players come in do a couple of races with lots of self destructs and then leave. Contender Eliminated! lol. Last night was a bit different though. I stayed up late (later than I should have) and got an 8 player Rapier lobby for a good while. A few left but came back quickly because it was the only US lobby going at the time. It was a good hour to 90 min. Good stuff overall.

I love this game to death (if you could love a game). If there were some way to inject WipE'Out into my bloodstream I'd probably do it. lol. When HD came out in 2008 I was living in Japan and I guess the time difference favored the EU so I was able to play with a lot of really good players I recognize here and on PS3. I've been sending invites to good players I come across recently.

I didn't notice how many people are still viewing the older forums on here. Hopefully, more players will give in and upgrade to Omega. I've also noticed a reasonably following for WipE'Out on Reddit but not quite as robust as here.

[mannjon]

Reddit pilots race on novice. Can't hang with us.

I'll practice up on phantom for ya. I'm only getting like top 100 times for speed laps and stuff so I'm definitely out of practice.

Rapier is pretty easy though. I personally prefer acrobatics over speed, but there aren't too many pilots like me around so finding decent matches in venom and flash doesn't happen often. Though I did get smacked around pretty hard with Booney a few days ago. Ouch. I'm not used to being behind 6 seconds on venom.

[SoA_Booney]

Drop me an add mannjon, have always preferred the technical to speed also. Happy to race when your around!

[Rapier Racer]

More often than not you get a screen full of games on the EU servers, sometimes you can't see all the races so remember and use the filters just yesterday I used it and found 4 Rapier lobbies and 1 Phantom that were not on the main screen, is there a scroll I'm missing?

[Dawn_Fire_]

From playing online on and off most of the last week, i've seen pretty much full screens of lobbies around early afternoon times in the EU server, for a good few hours, and one or two in US, makes me wonder if some people miss that you can change location too.

People don't like waiting for games to fill up either and quit out which sucks, when if you wait one or two minutes, usually people will join.

I've beat the campaigns and stuff, but still drop in online every now and then, trying to support the game :)

[mannjon]

Has anyone seen any JPN or AS servers at all? Ever?

[blackwiggle]

I saw one solitary person trying to get a somebody to join them once on the Asia server [it could of been somebody testing it for all I know], but that was in the first week of release, I've never ever seen anybody on the Japanese server, or the Asia server since that one time, and I'm in basically the same timezone as they both are.

I still have a few Japanese Wipeout pilots on my friends list from the HD world Cup, none of them have the Omega pack, which sort of speaks for itself really.
Desingner79 [he's Swiss but was/is based in China for work], and used to race with us Aussies in the HD days, but he has yet to get a PS4.
Apparently the Chinese government vet's everything coming in and going out internet wise, so those filters can make online play very hard, if not impossible

[UB3R~JKP]

As much as I love WipEout, like mentioned above the lack of any new content has just depleted my interest.

I still occasionally join races but I have no inclination to get as deep into it as I once was. It's sad but Omega Collection feels like neat fan-service but nothing else since we'll probably never get another game.

[JFthebestJan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvoGkfZOxKg&feature=youtu.be
I guess this is A main reason why the online is almost dead in wipeout omega collection :(

[Rapier Racer]

Never had that screen on the Omega collection online works really well for me and is much more reliable than PS3

[missmolotov]

Reddit pilots race on novice. Can't hang with us.

What do you mean, are you serious? :/

I'm surprised and sad PS+ is such a big issue for so many. That wouldn't have occurred to me, having PS+ has become so normal to me.

On the flip side of the PS+ issue, I have been wondering how much WipEout HD being a game that was available on PS+ on PS3 has affected the number of people who played it.

[brummpahh]

The main reasons for "online dying" in my opinion are:

- they kept the faulty old game engine, so the game was broken from day #1 (pole position cheats, turbo-cheats, net cheats etc.)
- they altered the game to something looking and sounding like "Mario Cart"
- many of the 2048 tracks offer very bad contrast so it gives you a pain in the *ss playing them.
- Lobby limited to 10 rooms (a prophet programmed that), they simply forget to implement scrolling lol.
- ........

No one plays a game for long in a sad condition like that. Those who quit spread the word - others then avoid spending money on that.

Once again it looks to me like a cheap, loveless money-maker. All they had to do was alter/add a few files and press "compile" at the PS4-dev-console.
This obviously did not convince veterans and new players - so RIP WO.

Ah - yeah - i'm enjoying to watch Omega going down - those responsible for this deserve that.

[Racingfan]

as for "faulty old engine" i don't get it Pole postition cheat? Turbo cheats? If you mean RNG for it, yes its weird ,There should be a limit in online only like 2 max. Net? If you mean netcode, it's been improved a lot on ps4 version. the ps3 netcode wasn't great, even if you have a very good net

As for scrolling i don't think they forgot to "add" that, theres filter in lobby menu so maybe they thought it wasn't really needed for scrolling. I do miss it though :P

The last line of your post... A bit too serious there

@jf yeah that error iw very annoying, i always get it
@missmolotov i think WOHD was the first game on ps plus back in 2010 when plus wasn't really worth it IMO. It did become free 1 year later after psn hack tho

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From playing online on and off most of the last week, i've seen pretty much full screens of lobbies around early afternoon times in the EU server, for a good few hours, and one or two in US, makes me wonder if some people miss that you can change location too.

People don't like waiting for games to fill up either and quit out which sucks, when if you wait one or two minutes, usually people will join.

I've beat the campaigns and stuff, but still drop in online every now and then, trying to support the game :)

Lots miss it I did too for 10 minutes. If you have a version of the game that isn't from EU, it will default you to the region you are from. So those with it will check for games, but 0 games 99% of the time in other regions than eu so they host instead (will also default you to the region ur from) and nobody joins, and they never try again, i really really hope they still work on the game and 1.02 isnt final and remove the region list and make the lobby list global.

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Has anyone seen any JPN or AS servers at all? Ever?

Seen 1 in jp and 1 in asia but thats all

[swift killer]

I think it's probably mainly down to lack of promotion/marketing, yes, WipEout Omega did sell very well in UK/EU, but there was no vocal incentive to play online, if you look at the games that go big with online play, they usually have online play implemented heavily into their marketing strategy as well as having some of the big Youtubers/Youtube-groups like Vanoss, SeaNanners, Kyr Sp33dy, Chilled Chaos, etc,. playing multi-episode series and if you look at it close enough, you'll realise that this was a MASSIVE factor in people picking up Rocket League. WipEout Omega just didn't have any of that.

There's also one big massive open goal which I think they missed completely = they should have given players the ability to play any ship on any track and work out a performance equivalency/balance of performance.

[Olivario]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvoGkfZOxKg&feature=youtu.be
I guess this is A main reason why the online is almost dead in wipeout omega collection :(

Happening all the time to me. I cannot join like 3/4 of the lobbies I try to join, it's so frustrating.

[BlackReign]

Happening all the time to me. I cannot join like 3/4 of the lobbies I try to join, it's so frustrating.

Hey there. I played a few races with you this past weekend and remember you from PS3. This happens to me occasionally too. I think it's because too many players are trying to fill up the lobby we want to join. Instead of giving you a "this lobby is full" message we get that error instead which is very annoying. Sometimes I refresh the screen and look to see if the player count in that lobby goes down. If it does I try joining again and it usually lets me in.

[JFthebestJan]

the online is A real joke with omega collection, PS3 allows me to play whenever i want without asking for 50bucks a year. on PS4 i need to pay that ridiculously expensive price, but just cannot play whenever i want. that's the first and last time i paid for ps+. i thought it would make things better, not worse. what a shame and waste of money.

[Racingfan]

hope they fix the issue if theres another patch coming

[Olivario]

Hey there. I played a few races with you this past weekend and remember you from PS3. This happens to me occasionally too. I think it's because too many players are trying to fill up the lobby we want to join. Instead of giving you a "this lobby is full" message we get that error instead which is very annoying. Sometimes I refresh the screen and look to see if the player count in that lobby goes down. If it does I try joining again and it usually lets me in.

Hi BlackReign, I remembered you too. I'm not really sure what is the cause, I have tried to refresh the screen several times and yet it seems like I'll never be able to join a lobby that hasn't let me in in the first time. Sometimes I've been able to do it after reinitiating the whole game, but most of the times it isn't possible.

Today it has been a nightmare. As JF says, there wasn't (almost) any problem with online in PS3 regarding the joining of lobbies, I hope this is fixed the soonest possible,

[BlackReign]

Hi BlackReign, I remembered you too. I'm not really sure what is the cause, I have tried to refresh the screen several times and yet it seems like I'll never be able to join a lobby that hasn't let me in in the first time. Sometimes I've been able to do it after reinitiating the whole game, but most of the times it isn't possible.

Today it has been a nightmare. As JF says, there wasn't (almost) any problem with online in PS3 regarding the joining of lobbies, I hope this is fixed the soonest possible,

Olivario,
So I noticed in the Glitches and Troubleshooting sticky thread there's a guy on the dev team called NotEnoughRed who says this is happening because of the following (also included a link to his comment in the thread:

"Just a quick one with the Error code: This was actually changed because of a technical requirement. We had to make the error codes super generic instead of actually providing error information. (Don't ask!)

If you're regularly getting an error code - it's almost 100% down to a NAT type problem, either the game you're trying to join is being hosted by someone with a NAT 2 or NAT 3 - or.. you have a NAT type of 2 or 3 and are trying to join a NAT 1 player.

If you look into changing your NAT to 1, you'll most likely see a reduction in these error messages. - Also, quite a lot of the time, "Game is full" will also generate this generic error message."

Link to his comment:
http://www.wipeoutzone.com/forum/showthread.php?10361-OMEGA-COLLECTION-Glitches-and-Troubleshooting-Report-Page&p=251895#post251895

Hope this helps both you and JF.

[Racingfan]

i have NAT 2, and i tried joining friends who has NAT 2 and i have same issues.

[XxSuperRyugaxX]

To me, WipEout will still grow up..
There are some players that first, they prefer to play Single player ( and eventually finish it ) then play multiplayer, I am one of those. For example, on the first period I barely played online, because first I was busy with other stuff ( exams and bla bla bla ) and then because, those few times I had free time, I went straight to campaign, really enjoyed it.

Now that I almost finished everything on single player ( I'm lvl 48 on 2048 ) and all other stuff I'm playing a lot more online mode. But also we have to consider that most players could be new, so they won't finish single player fast, WipEout is an extremely hard game after all.

yeah, there are always some negatives aspects ( no new game for example, or WipEout not being famous anymore as others series sadly.. ) but I want to be confident. At my zone, on morning is, well, really dead ( today, for the first time, there were 0 lobbies ), but on evening I always see 10 lobbies. I live in Italy.
Also the error code mentioned before is also making its bad part, some guys like me, Racingfan and JF are really afflicted by this, sometimes I try over and over to join a lobby, but other times I give up and then go play some Racebox.

Also, I hope devs will keep an eye on this game and release updates frequently. I know it's hard but I think support is the main thing to keep a game alive

[Olivario]

Thank you for the info BlackReign, I'll try to change NAT to 1 to see if that works.

[BlackReign]

To me, WipEout will still grow up..
There are some players that first, they prefer to play Single player ( and eventually finish it ) then play multiplayer, I am one of those. For example, on the first period I barely played online, because first I was busy with other stuff ( exams and bla bla bla ) and then because, those few times I had free time, I went straight to campaign, really enjoyed it.

Now that I almost finished everything on single player ( I'm lvl 48 on 2048 ) and all other stuff I'm playing a lot more online mode. But also we have to consider that most players could be new, so they won't finish single player fast, WipEout is an extremely hard game after all.

yeah, there are always some negatives aspects ( no new game for example, or WipEout not being famous anymore as others series sadly.. ) but I want to be confident. At my zone, on morning is, well, really dead ( today, for the first time, there were 0 lobbies ), but on evening I always see 10 lobbies. I live in Italy.
Also the error code mentioned before is also making its bad part, some guys like me, Racingfan and JF are really afflicted by this, sometimes I try over and over to join a lobby, but other times I give up and then go play some Racebox.

Also, I hope devs will keep an eye on this game and release updates frequently. I know it's hard but I think support is the main thing to keep a game alive

Agreed.

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Thank you for the info BlackReign, I'll try to change NAT to 1 to see if that works.

No problem. Did it help?

[Olivario]

Haven't tried yet, but of course if I do it I'll post here whether it worked or not :)

[BlackReign]

Haven't tried yet, but of course if I do it I'll post here whether it worked or not :)

Cool.

[Light Buster]

I'm actually looking for someone to play some Eliminator to finish off the trophies in WOC. Just haven't had the time to do it yet. I'm also surprised that my Mi-Fi works with Omega Collection. Haven't lagged out and such.